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From: Jamous, JP
Date: Sep 14, 2016 8:22AM

Nick,

I tested this bad boy heavily using JAWS and NVDA back in July. It is not related to the browser rather to the screen reader. You'll know why soon.

Onclick and onmouseover fire up this annoying message. JAWS handles it one way in IE and a different way in Firefox. NVDA on the other hand, does not discriminate against onclick. It reports it in both browsers, but it would not report the onmouseover in IE. Only in Firefox.

I might have gotten the above reversed, that's because it has been a while. However, if you do this test, you will notice the same behavior.

The issue here is that both screen readers replicate the events down the markup tree. So any P elements within the div element are reported as clickable by screen readers. In reality if you click on them with a regular mouse, they do nothing. That is another definite evidence that it is related to screen readers and not browsers.

Again, I might have the above reversed because I have my test results on another PC. I pulled the above from memory. I do want to report this to Freedom Scientific soon. Personally, I don't appreciate paying for SMAs and not getting a good product.

What I don't like about this announcement is that not all screen reader users are as advanced as most of us are. They may not know how to set the verbosity level. Additionally, it is incorrect feedback from the screen reader.




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Jean-Pierre Jamous
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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:09 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] screen reader announcing clickable

Hello,
The clickable element means that everything inside it will be clickable. It doesn't matter if anything is attached to it, it is clickable. I'm not sure if there is any way for a screen reader to recognize if something happens when an element is pressed, but I doubt it. If that clickable didn't show, a screen reader user would never know anything in that element was clickable.
The only way to get rid of this is to just wrap the part that will get a click in a clickable div and remove the event from higher up the tree.
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Nick Allan < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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> Hi all
> I'm doing some testing on a web page where a section has paragraphs of
> text that all announce clickable when you arrow through it using jaws.
> There is a div a few levels up in the dom that has a click event
> attached to it according to firebug in firefox.
> I assume this is why the text is saying clickable. Is there any method
> to stop a screen reader announcing clickable other than verbosity
> settings in the screen reader? clicking on the text doesn't actually do anything.
>
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
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