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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Dec 6, 2016 4:12PM

thinking over this hole thread i realized i don't know what a display
will do with a alert or live region. now i want to find a few to test and
play with i asked if i could use the studeo on campus to record and am
waiting to here back will let you all know if i come up with any thing.

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jim Homme < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi,
> Do I sense a reverse accessibility issue here? :)
>
> Jim
>
>
> =========> Jim Homme,
> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
> 412-787-8567,
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> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
> accessible-technology-solutions
> E+R=O
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:27 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Braille Displays
>
> Mike,
>
> TS buddy. LOL
>
> Just kidding.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 2:01 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Braille Displays
>
> Then of course there is the issue that most of us sighted accessibility
> wonks can't read braille.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:57 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Braille Displays
>
> Great points everyone.
> Let's keep in mind that people who use braille note takers or displays
> with Brailleback are a very tiny portion of the user base. Getting into the
> luxury of testing the braille display only experience for a website is
> definitely a luxury most people cannot afford, nor would I recommend it
> unless the site is in fantastic shape acessibility wise, or the request and
> the funding is in place.
> For OS based program, Windows in particular, some braille displa magic was
> often very helpful to work around otherwise accessible controls.
> For web-based ones, I have not seen this being as helpful, since most
> scree readers can interact well with web-based applications.
> All that corporate policy speak aside, I'd love to do such a demo, maybe
> this is a project fit for CSUN 2017 (I am not presenting, and Lucy only has
> 25 presentations). ;) -B
>
>
>
> On 12/6/16, JP Jamous < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > Definitely, keep us posted. I'd like to learn the differences.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Homme
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:32 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Braille Displays
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'd like to continue this discussion and bring in a different point in
> > a separate e-mail because I am going through a similar situation. So
> > far, I've looked at a site I'm evaluating with two screen readers, JAWS
> and NVDA.
> > Those screen readers support Braille differently. I know that's not a
> > very helpful explanation, so I will try to get my thoughts in order
> > separately. I think that the differences are great enough in Braille
> > support that you may have to evaluate using both screen readers on the
> > PC. You may even need to get Window-eyes and use that. Anyway, so far
> > I feel that JAWS has better and more comprehensive Braille support
> > than NVDA does. I will try to get the exact symptoms together and
> > report them, but the differences seem to be mostly how things are
> > displayed, and not that NVDA doesn't work in some situations. But, as I
> said, I'll report back.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > =========> > Jim Homme,
> > Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant, Bender HighTest Accessibility
> > Team Bender Consulting Services, Inc., 412-787-8567,
> > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-techno
> > logy-solutions
> > E+R=O
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:19 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Braille Displays
> >
> > I'm emailing to the list since I think this is actually on topic and a
> > valuable discussion for people to read.
> >
> > Note that I don't use a braille reader. Although it turns out I read
> > braille better than most blind people - on account of the fact that
> > most don't read braille. I hope one of those who does will chime in
> > with some more experience here...
> >
> > 06.12.2016, 11:04, "JP Jamous" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
> >> A client wishes to make his application screen reader and Braille
> >> Display accessible. As I have never used a Braille Display before, I
> >> started wondering and noticed that to have a Braille Display running,
> >> you ought to have a screen reader running. Am I correct or wrong?
> >
> > Essentially right. You need something to send content to the braille
> > reader, and I believe that the common case is now to use a screen
> > reader since they provide that support.
> >
> > There are also dedicated braille devices, just as there are multiple
> > OSes and screen readers. So what you discover testing with acommon
> > setup won't reflect the universal experience of everyone, but I
> > presume that isn't a surprise.
> >
> >> I am going through the WCAG audit for the client's application and it
> >> sure fails many success criteria. My hope is to get the audit done
> >> and once that is complete, the application will be accessible via
> >> Braille Displays as long as JAWS or NVDA are running and support the
> >> drivers for the particular Braille Display that will be used.
> >
> > To be pedantic, the audit won't make anything accessible but fixing
> > faults identified by it should do so, but I presume that is what you
> meant.
> >
> > Roughly the same content will be passed to the Braille reader, but
> > there are some important differences. People who do know braille like
> > it because among other things it is precise - issues regarding
> > pronunciation of acronyms and so on a reduced because the punctuation,
> > capitalisation and spelling of words is explicit.
> >
> > On the other hand, where speech is "pushed" to the user who has to
> > consume it as it is given, braille is presented on the display and the
> > user reads it at their leisure before requesting the next bit. Which
> > means the way that e.g. live regions behave and that the user
> > experiences them may be a little different. This is an area where a
> > video or two - described and captioned, of course - would be a really
> great resource.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >> I would appreciate any feedback on my thought process. You may e-mail
> >> me off the list since this is sort of an off-topic in a way.
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> . Thank you folks.
> >>
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