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From: Jim Allan
Date: Dec 8, 2016 8:50AM

here is a site of many if not all hex codes to test with screen readers in
browsers
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/supplemental_arrows_b.html
check the menu button to see a list of various categories of fonts and
symbols.
JAWS read most of them. NVDA- nada.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Preast, Vanessa < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> I think I just found the answer to my question on a Penn State site (
> http://archive.tlt.psu.edu/suggestions/international/web/
> tips/unicodefourdigit.html). I'll post it here in case it is helpful to
> others are new to Unicode like me, or in case experienced folks want to
> correct what I've posted.
>
> It sounds like there are decimal and hexadecimal codes. The hex codes use
> the format &#x<hex-number>; and decimal codes use the format
> &#<dec-number>; when coding HTML
>
> The Em Dash uses the decimal of 8212 but the hex of 2014 (
> http://unicodelookup.com/#em dash/1). That's why the same number was
> resulting in different results in the HTML code. I was identifying the
> first as "decimal" and the second as "hexadecimal" by adding the x.
>
> What is my Word 2016 using? It appears to be the Unicode Hexadecimal:
> When I type 8212 into Word and then press Alt-X, I get the Han symbol
> When I type 2014 into Word and press Alt-X I get the em dash
>
> Best,
> Vanessa
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:04 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
>
> Question:
> When the "x" is needed and when not? The first item below is the Em Dash
> and the second is a Han character.
> <p>&#8212;</p>
> <p>&#x8212;</p>
>
> However, to make the ampersand work, I must use the "x":
> <p>ASCII: &amp;</p>
> <p>UNICODE: &#x0026;</p>
>
> -----
> Suggestion:
> Paul, not sure if it helps, but I thought I'd share my approach. For small
> amounts of code, I might use free visual editors such as W3schools "try it
> yourself" tool (http://www.w3schools.com/charsets/tryit.asp?filename>; tryutf_quote), CodePen (http://codepen.io/TeachLearn/pen/WoyXjx), or an
> online HTML editor (https://html-online.com/editor/) or the and then I
> copy and paste the information into my application.
>
> The w3schools has a nice list with symbols (http://www.w3schools.com/
> charsets/ref_utf_basic_latin.asp) and the "try it" right next to it, so
> it is easy to copy and paste. There are also the Unicode charts at
> http://unicode.org/charts/.
>
> Best,
> Vanessa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of McGarvey, Paul
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all your advice. I should add I'm not a developer and just a
> content person, so was wondering what was best practice from a content
> perspective, ie, a solution that wouldn't require coding but the
> composition of the text itself?
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-bounces@
> list.webaim.org]
> Sent: 08 December 2016 09:55
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
>
> Save the MSWord as an HTML file.
>
> It should be able to convert them. I know the Unicode chars have their own
> equivalent in HTML using &SomeLetters;
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Maxability Accessibility for all
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:14 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
>
> Was testing with NVDA and no luck. JAWS is reading perfect.
>
> How can we use these with HTML?
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Rakesh
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 4:57 AM, Jim Allan < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > just tested with word 2016 and Jaws 18 works great 4-digit Unicode
> > code followed by Alt + X
> > - is read as minus
> > I is read as "roman Numeral one"
> > tried 4/5 (unicode 2158) is read as four fifths
> >
> > NVDA read none of the roman numerals, nor the fraction. , the minus
> > symbol was read as hyphen.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does that mean that there is a way in MS Word to cause a screen
> > > reader to correctly identify chapter headings that include Roman
> > > Numerals - eg IX X XI? If so please share. We are working on some
> > > accessible templates for
> > the
> > > agency and have been asked to include Roman numerals for the heading
> > > structure.
> > >
> > > Mike Moore
> > > Accessibility Coordinator
> > > Texas Health and Human Services Commission Civil Rights Office
> > > (512) 438-3431 (Office)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > > Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:56 AM
> > > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
> > >
> > > I believe there are actually different unicode identifiers for minus
> > > and negate. There are certainly specific UNICODE encodings for roman
> > numerals .
> > >
> > > On 7 December 2016 at 03:12, Maxability Accessibility for all <
> > > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > While I second to set SR punctuation to all, I used to recommend
> > > > using ascii values instead of symbols themselves. I had a problem
> > > > with negative value read as hyphen and I have made a simple POC to
> > > > see different options, you can have a look at it.
> > > > http://www.maxability.co.in/demos/Negetive-value.html
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:07 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> > > > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You could insert an off-screen sentence at the top of an article
> > > > > saying (this text uses symols, adjust your screen reader
> > > > > punctuation settings).
> > > > > I am not a fan of content authors going overboard to address
> > > > > screen reader options.
> > > > > That is something the screen reader vendors and the users should
> > > > > work out for themselves.
> > > > > It is possible to propose an ARIA attribute that specifies
> > > > > punctuation levels. If author uses that, the screen readers
> > > > > could pick it up and adjust their punctuation setting
> > > > > accordingly for that
> > > page.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/6/16, Joshua Hori < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > > > > Code wise, couldn't you use MathJax to ensure the symbols are
> > > > > > read
> > > > aloud?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joshua
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: WebAIM-Forum
> > > > > > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of JP Jamous
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:47 AM
> > > > > > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they turn punctuation off, then there is nothing you can do
> > > > > > code
> > > > > wise. I
> > > > > > like to keep it at Some punctuation for my PC and JAWS cursors.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > default
> > > > > > is Most punctuations, but that can be too annoying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I am reading something where I know that punctuations are
> > > > > > necessary
> > > > to
> > > > > > have read, I either change the setting or read by char.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: WebAIM-Forum
> > > > > > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of McGarvey, Paul
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 8:01 AM
> > > > > > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > > > > Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility of + and -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone able to offer any thoughts on the accessibility of
> > > > > > symbols/characters such as &, *, +, - and so on? I know from
> > > > > > visiting
> > > > the
> > > > > > Digital Accessibility Centre in Neath and speaking to testers
> > > > > > there
> > > > that
> > > > > a
> > > > > > lot of people who use screenreaders "turn the punctuation off"
> > > > > > and thus would miss a crucial character in a sentence like
> > > > > > "exports for this
> > > > > quarter
> > > > > > were -0.2". However, want to know more about this for looking
> > > > > > for any blogs/articles/guidance anyone could provide to build
> > > > > > on this anecdotal evidence.
> > > > > >
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