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Re: why is title attribute necessary on iframes?

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From: Angela French
Date: Dec 15, 2016 1:53PM

It is generated by Trumba (calendar) and is not descriptive of the content at all. It is the style of calendar layout within Trumba.)

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?

The iframe looks like it is Titled "Photo Upcoming"

<iframe src="javascript:'<html><head></head><body styleºckground-color:transparent></body></html>'" id="trumba.spud.0.iframe" name="trumba.spud.0.iframe" style="border-style:none;background-color:transparent;" scrolling="no" title="Photo Upcoming" width="100%" height="381"></iframe>


Joseph

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> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> I checked it out, but something caught my attention. I did not want to
> waste too much time digging into the markup.
>
> In Internet Explorer, the iFrame has a title of " Calendar"
> In Firefox it reports "Photo Upcoming frame"
>
> Do you have a title attribute in that frame and if so what is it called?
>
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> Behalf Of Angela French
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:53 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> Our site uses embedded content from our Trumba calendar (basically a
> filtered view of our main calendar data) and it is in an iframe.
> Here is an example: http://www.sbctc.edu/colleges-staff/commissions-
> councils/wactc/default.aspx. The content has a heading of "Calendar"./
>
> Angela French
>
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> Behalf Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> What Lucy is referring to, here, is that screen readers capture,
>
> 1. Page title inside the frame and that might be some weird
> combination of letters developers used to identify the page 2. Screen
> readers might capture the source URL of the page being called thinking
> that they are trying to help the blind user
>
> You may not need to include a title attribute in certain iframes. If
> you just ensure that the loading page has a clear title element that
> will suffice. The screen reader would read this.
>
> Where you encounter this is in a dynamic environment where pages in
> the iframe are constantly changing like Ads. You are better off
> eliminating the title attribute and using the page title element.
>
> That is why I always stress manual evaluation. Remember evaluation
> tools are programs and programs only know what they know. Besides that they are dumb.
>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> Thanks; I was thinking that most screen readers users don't configure
> the reader to read out title attributes.
>
> Angela French
>
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> Behalf Of Lucy Greco
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:01 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> also if you don't include it the thing the screenreader says is
> gibrish
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
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>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Thanks JP, that makes sense now. I wasn't thinking of the crappy
> > 3rd party stuff that comes in that no one wants to read! ;-)
> >
> > Angela French
> >
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> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:58 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
> >
> > It provides a summarized caption of what the iframe includes. Think
> > of it as a Title element on a page. Without it would you know what
> > this page talks about?
> >
> > Why is that important? What if the iframe is a 3rd party add that I
> > want to skip? I can hear the title and press the navigation key that
> > would make me skip that iframe and go to something meaningful on the page.
> >
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> > Subject: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
> >
> > Can someone explain to me, please, what the title attribute does in
> > an iframe for screen reader users? (Success Criteria 4.1.2) What
> > is its importance in making an iframe accessible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Angela French
> > Internet/Intranet Specialist
> > Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
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