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Re: why is title attribute necessary on iframes?

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From: Angela French
Date: Dec 15, 2016 1:55PM

I've never heard of different browsers rendering a different value for the title. How can that be and how can I control that?

Angela French

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?

I see. Thank you Joseph.

You may want to be careful with this one Angela. Ensure that the frame has the same title on all browsers. You would just have to find the markup that works across all browsers.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?

The iframe looks like it is Titled "Photo Upcoming"

<iframe src="javascript:'<html><head></head><body styleºckground-color:transparent></body></html>'" id="trumba.spud.0.iframe" name="trumba.spud.0.iframe" style="border-style:none;background-color:transparent;" scrolling="no" title="Photo Upcoming" width="100%" height="381"></iframe>


Joseph

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> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> I checked it out, but something caught my attention. I did not want to
> waste too much time digging into the markup.
>
> In Internet Explorer, the iFrame has a title of " Calendar"
> In Firefox it reports "Photo Upcoming frame"
>
> Do you have a title attribute in that frame and if so what is it called?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Angela French
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:53 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> Our site uses embedded content from our Trumba calendar (basically a
> filtered view of our main calendar data) and it is in an iframe.
> Here is an example: http://www.sbctc.edu/colleges-staff/commissions-
> councils/wactc/default.aspx. The content has a heading of "Calendar"./
>
> Angela French
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> What Lucy is referring to, here, is that screen readers capture,
>
> 1. Page title inside the frame and that might be some weird
> combination of letters developers used to identify the page 2. Screen
> readers might capture the source URL of the page being called thinking
> that they are trying to help the blind user
>
> You may not need to include a title attribute in certain iframes. If
> you just ensure that the loading page has a clear title element that
> will suffice. The screen reader would read this.
>
> Where you encounter this is in a dynamic environment where pages in
> the iframe are constantly changing like Ads. You are better off
> eliminating the title attribute and using the page title element.
>
> That is why I always stress manual evaluation. Remember evaluation
> tools are programs and programs only know what they know. Besides that they are dumb.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Angela French
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> Thanks; I was thinking that most screen readers users don't configure
> the reader to read out title attributes.
>
> Angela French
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Lucy Greco
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:01 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
>
> also if you don't include it the thing the screenreader says is
> gibrish
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
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>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Thanks JP, that makes sense now. I wasn't thinking of the crappy
> > 3rd party stuff that comes in that no one wants to read! ;-)
> >
> > Angela French
> >
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> > Behalf Of JP Jamous
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:58 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
> >
> > It provides a summarized caption of what the iframe includes. Think
> > of it as a Title element on a page. Without it would you know what
> > this page talks about?
> >
> > Why is that important? What if the iframe is a 3rd party add that I
> > want to skip? I can hear the title and press the navigation key that
> > would make me skip that iframe and go to something meaningful on the page.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: [WebAIM] why is title attribute necessary on iframes?
> >
> > Can someone explain to me, please, what the title attribute does in
> > an iframe for screen reader users? (Success Criteria 4.1.2) What
> > is its importance in making an iframe accessible?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Angela French
> > Internet/Intranet Specialist
> > Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
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