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From: L Snider
Date: Dec 17, 2016 11:37AM

Hi Birkir,

What has been your experience if the DOM passes, but the HTML has been a
mess, in terms of user testing? I have seen people do what you suggested,
basically layer over the html, but I always wondered how people found it in
terms of accessibility, and not just a checker saying it is okay. If that
makes sense?

For me, I want the DOM and HTML to be accessible, as much as possible. but
I found others I have met in the past few years don't always share that
view-and they rely on the DOM to fix the issues, when if they just worked
on the HTML...well you can see where I am going with this!

Cheers

Lisa



On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Karl Groves set up the provocatively named but brilliant
> http://www.mothereffingtoolconfuser.com
> This is a webpage whose HTML source code has a number of accessibility
> issues, all of which are fixed with JQuery that runs on page load.
> So the HTML source has a bunch of issues, the DOM should have 0.
> If a tool reports a bunch of errors on this page, either it tested the
> HTML source, or there is something happening with JavaScript not
> running (I have seen it happen when trying to test this page from
> behind a corporate firewall).
> But if the tool reports 0 errors, it is testing the DOM.
> I had a SiteImprove tech guy test this page for me (in SiteImprove you
> cannot test a random page yourself,only the domain you have access
> to). He said it returned 0 errors, Based on that info they test the
> DOM.
>
> -B
>
>
> On 12/16/16, Sean Keegan < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Have you verified with SiteImprove that the tool does not check the DOM?
> I
> > raised this question with two different technical people at SiteImprove
> > several months ago and both said the tool is evaluating the DOM, not the
> > source code.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Sean
> >
> >
> >
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Bossley, Peter A." < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:16:11 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility training and scanning solutions
> >> providers
> >> Siteimprove doesn't appear to actually test the DOM, so I bounced them
> off
> >> the list for that one alone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
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> > > > >