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Re: JAWS and disabled combobox options

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From: Jim Allan
Date: Jan 18, 2017 1:33PM


ah, thanks for the clarification. first letter navigation only works with
the <option>s not the <optgroup>. This is a browser "feature". AT will have
to go beyond standard browser behavior to make <optgroup> navigable.
JAWS and NVDA with Firefox did preface the <optgroup> value when speaking
the <option>. NVDA said "color grouping, blue item 2 of 3"

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> wrote:

> > in my testing in windows (IE, FF, and chrome) first letter navigation
> worked in a select with optgroup.
>
> So for example, if the optgroup name is "Mobile" pressing "m" does not
> take me to the first item under mobile.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Jim Allan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS and disabled combobox options
>
> in my testing in windows (IE, FF, and chrome) first letter navigation
> worked in a select with optgroup.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Avila <
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Looks like the developer should have used optgroup instead of
> > > disabled
> > options. The States are groups, but not values themselves.
> >
> > Except use of optgroup doesn't allow for keyboard navigation using
> > first letter of the item in the optgroup. And optgroup isn't well
> > supported by assistive technology in my experience.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of _mallory
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 7:37 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS and disabled combobox options
> >
> > Looks like the developer should have used optgroup instead of disabled
> > options. The States are groups, but not values themselves.
> >
> > cheers,
> > _mallory
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 08:09:10AM -0600, JP Jamous wrote:
> > > Thank you Bryan. That makes more sense to me now.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > > Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:06 AM
> > > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS and disabled combobox options
> > >
> > > No problem, happy to help. :) One note for others, the bookmarklet
> > > was
> > simply a personal utility I created to work around some accessibility
> > issues I was encountering, but this should not ever be part of any
> > development strategy for making something like this accessible.
> > >
> > > To answer a prior question from JP Jamous, the scenario described
> > > has
> > only one select element.
> > >
> > > E.G Example syntax:
> > >
> > > <select title="Choose a County" >
> > > <option >Arizona</option>
> > > <optgroup>
> > > <option> County Name One </option>
> > > <option> County Name Two </option>
> > > </optgroup>
> > > <option >California</option>
> > > <optgroup>
> > > <option> County Name One </option>
> > > <option> County Name Two </option>
> > > </optgroup>
> > > </select>
> > >
> > > You can quickly jump to California by typing "cal".
> > >
> > > However if you try the following instead, this is impossible.
> > >
> > >
> > > <select title="Choose a County" >
> > > <option disabled >Arizona</option>
> > > <optgroup>
> > > <option> County Name One </option>
> > > <option> County Name Two </option>
> > > </optgroup>
> > > <option disabled >California</option> <optgroup>
> > > <option> County Name One </option>
> > > <option> County Name Two </option>
> > > </optgroup>
> > > </select>
> > >
> > > This is why this practice should never be done.
> > >
> > > Instead, client side scripting should be used to check the value of
> > > such
> > options and prevent submission if the intended value is not selected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan Garaventa
> > > Accessibility Fellow
> > > SSB BART Group, Inc.
> > > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > 415.624.2709 (o)
> > > www.SSBBartGroup.com
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >



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Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964