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Re: SC 1.2.2 and YouTube's auto captions


From: John Foliot
Date: Jun 27, 2017 3:28PM

> By my interpretation, if the captions don't allow the user to understand
the media content or don't convey the content of the spoken dialogue and
non-dialogue audio, then they would not be conformant.

I don't think Jared and I are far apart (we usually aren't), and I don't
disagree with his interpretation.

The larger issue however is that we don't have a legally defined
interpretation, which means we have to rely on logic and intuition, and our
understanding of the problem space. That's relatively easy for us as SME's
(beginner or experienced - if you are reading this I will call you a
Subject Matter Expert).

My only point is that there are many ways to look at this: legally,
practically, and holistically, and each perspective will likely land you at
a different response. I'm simply suggesting that one legal interpretation
of the actual Success Criteria would not include 'accuracy' as one of the
requirements, at least not explicitly, because that term and concept is not
mentioned in the normative Success Criteria. That's not great, but it is


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Maybe this would be a smart aleck answer for them but ask them if html
> pages with misspelled text all over them is okay? I suspect the answer
> would be no.
> Angela French
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Tomlins Diane
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:07 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] SC 1.2.2 and YouTube's auto captions
> I have some folks who want to argue that YouTube's automatic captions will
> pass the 1.2.2 Criteria - "look, it has captions!". While I know relying
> on YT's auto captions is just a bad idea since they are often so wrong,
> DOES it actually pass the criteria if the CC is available? Or does it fail
> regardless, as per this example?
> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20161007/F8
> I'd like to make sure I am armed with enough material to get them to
> understand that auto captions doesn't cut it.
> Thanks!
> Thanks!
> Diane R Tomlins
> HCA IT&S | Digital Media
> Accessibility SME
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

John Foliot
Principal Accessibility Strategist
Deque Systems Inc.

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