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Re: html 5 required


From: Bim Egan
Date: Nov 6, 2017 3:36PM

Hi Diane,

Screen reader users are getting used to it. Usually only happens in Firefox
though. It's up to newer versions of AT and browsers to get their heads
together and find the fix. Don't be tempted to a hack, it's likely to break
something more important, either now or in the unforeseeable future.

Check the markup by all means but once you're sure that it meets the
standard, it's up to the other accessibility dependencies to catch up.



-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
Of Tomlins Diane
Sent: 06 November 2017 22:16
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] html 5 required

This just came up for us, and we just switched 70+ code files to use the
html 5 "required' attribute. Now we find in testing, using NVDA 2017.3 with
Firefox, NVDA announces empty fields as "invalid entry" the first time the
user focuses on them, even before the error checking that takes place when a
user hits the Submit button. So I would think this would make things
confusing for AT users.

We tried adding aria-required="true" but that didn't help since we still
have the "required" attribute in there too.

If I understand the replies to this thread, the "required' attribute is
still a patchwork of support between browsers and AT??

Our developers won't be thrilled to back-pedal to take out the attribute
they just put in :-/

Any possible workaround besides going back?


Diane R Tomlins
HCA IT&S | Digital Media
Accessibility SME

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Avila
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 7:04 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WebAIM] html 5 required

> I am confused. The label is exposed isn´t it, the way you wrote it.

I can confirm that with NVDA after a form is submitted and focus is moved to
the field in error in some browsers NVDA only announces the error and not
the label. If you open the speech viewer you will find the label is there
-- which I believe indicates that the error message is being treated like an
assertive live region and somehow interrupting the label from being

In our testing of the HTML required attribute in different browsers the
supports varied between browsers with screen readers. In addition, some
browsers use a red border to indicate the error state while only providing a
mouse involked tooltip further complicated the use of the required attribute
as it could be claimed color alone was used to communicate the error
visually to people with color deficiency who were not using a screen reader.

I would agree with Patrick that at this time if you need to support multiple
browsers and multiple AT the support is not there yet to fully conform with
this method alone. It’s a shame because it's a simple method that should be
better supported without requiring developers to implement more complex and
costly solutions.


Jonathan Avila
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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:19 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] html 5 required

I am confused. The label is exposed isn´t it, the way you wrote it.
If there is a title attribute or a placeholder, maybe those don´t get
exposed when you add the required attribute?
Which browsers/a.t. combinations are you using?
Are you using a proper label assocaition?
Are you using either a title or placeholder attribute (on the input field)?

On 8/3/17, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Thanks for responding. I guess what confuses me is that if the cursor
> goes to the field (with the required message) and the field is
> labelled correctly, why isn't the label exposed again?
> Angela
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] html 5 required
> On 03/08/2017 22:45, Angela French wrote:
>> Hello,
>> We are trying to use the html 5 required attribute on required form
>> fields. In testing, I am finding that each browser I test with (with
>> NVDA) handles it differently. The problem is that in most browsers I
>> hear the message that a field is required, but it doesn't tell me
>> WHICH field it is referring to even though the cursor goes to the first
empty field.
>> The only browser that played very nicely on this was Chrome.
>> Curiously, even Chrome didn't read the required field message
>> ("Please fill out this field."). Rather it said "Last Name invalid
entry required."
>> Is there a way to make this behavior consistent?
> In short: don't use required attribute at this stage, but instead
> aria-required="true" and traditional custom error messages/bubbles.
> Regarding the "Please fill out this field", I assume you're referring
> to the default browser error tooltip bubble? If so, last time I
> checked (2 years ago), none of the browsers exposed the text they
> visually present
> -
> http://developer.telerik.com/featured/building-html5-form-validation-b
> ubble-replacements/#comment-2381878676
> So once again, better to use old custom-made bubbles to show error
> messages (and then tie them to the relevant form field with
> aria-describedby or similar).
> P
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