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Re: Layout tables


From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula
Date: Dec 7, 2017 1:00AM

I agree. Layout tables are helpful when you prefer to place something on a
specific format on a single page. But if requirement is for multiple pages,
then CSS is better so that design can be controlled centrally whenever
there is a change needed.


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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:03 AM, Josh Schroder < <EMAIL REMOVED> >

> I agree with Nick -- it's all about maintaining the proper reading order.
> Layout tables aren't inherently inaccessible, but the author (in this case
> your web app folks) needs to understand the principles of content
> linearization and actually care about correct implementation.
> A better solution would be to encourage them to use something like
> Bootstrap for layout instead.
> Josh Schroder
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> They're not that bad when you add role="presentation" to the <table>, and
> each descendant <table>, as well. It kills the semantics of the table and a
> screen reader user won't get that noise. I'd be more concerned about SC
> 1.3.2 Meaningful Sequence than SC 1.3.1 Info and Relationships in this
> case. Make sure that the positioning of the content falls in line with the
> DOM order as to create a proper reading order. I don't think not having a
> role="presentation" is a classic failure of SC 1.3.1, but it is highly
> recommended as a best practice to do so. Oddly enough, it is a failure if
> you use role="presentation" on an element that needs to convey semantic
> information.
> I hope this helps,
> Nick Beranek
> Capital One
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Layout tables
> How bad are layout tables? I believe that WCAG 2.0 discourages but allows
> them. My web application folks love layout tables and put everything in
> them, including forms with multiple layout tables (e.g.
> https://globalsearch.cuny.edu/CFGlobalSearchTool/search.jsp). This
> results in screen readers reading out "table with 3 rows and 3 columns, row
> 1, column 1", YES "row 1, column 2" College, and similar for each row and
> column in the form. Must/should we add role="presentation" to all the
> layout tables or use CSS for layout?
> Joseph
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