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Re: Fourth rule of aria > aria-hidden

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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Jan 22, 2018 5:45AM

The rule, in essence, says: you don't want an AT user setting focus to
"nothing", as they're left wondering what they just set focus to. If
it's aria-hidden (or contained inside an aria-hidden container), but
received focus, it's an empty step in the focus cycle.

Nobody dies when this happens, to be clear. And the "rules" of using
ARIA are more good practice maxims, not hard failures.

IF you can justify why something still receives keyboard focus but isn't
announced at all to AT users, cool.

P

On 22/01/2018 12:21, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> And this is why I have interpreted the 4th rule of ARIA such that
> aria-hidden is allowed on elements containing focusable elemnts, while
> not allowed on the focusable elements directly.
> We all know aria-hidden is dangerous, and warning against frivolous
> use is important, bt there, as I see it, legitimate use cases for it,
> this being one of them.
>
>
> On 1/22/18, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> I agree. We encounter this a lot with third-party plug-ins for maps,
>> interactive charts and all sorts of other features for which accessible
>> alternatives are provided on the same page. These are often
>> keyboard-accessible but not screen reader accessible.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf
>> Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
>> Sent: 22 January 2018 12:11
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fourth rule of aria > aria-hidden
>>
>> What about content that cannot be made accessible toa screen reader, but
>> still has to be oprable with the keyboard?
>> I am primarily thinking of map components. A keyboard only user needs to be
>> able to operate the map controls, but to a screen reader the map clutters up
>> the page. Assuming there is an accessible alterantive to get text
>> instructions or perform the primary function of the map,, isn't it valid
>> (though not desireable) use of aria-hidden to hide the map and its controls
>> from the screen reader user?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/18, Joshue O Connor - InterAccess < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> Thats a good catch all :-)
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>>> Have updated the 4th rule, thanks for feedback.
>>>>
>>>> https://w3c.github.io/using-aria/#fourth
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> SteveF
>>>> Current Standards Work @W3C
>>>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-
>>>> w3c/>
>>>>
>>>> On 22 January 2018 at 09:36, Léonie Watson< <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/01/2018 09:21, Fernand van Olphen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case aria-hidden="true" is used on the container div, and
>>>>>> the visible focusable element sits inside it. Is this also a
>>>>>> violation of the fourth rule?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is, but the Using ARIA doc doesn't make this clear. I've filed an
>>>>> issue there, so hopefully we can get the 4th rule updated.
>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/using-aria/issues/32
>>>>>
>>>>> Léonie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Fernand van Olphen
>>>>>> Accessibility Advisor
>>>>>> Municipality of The Hague,
>>>>>> www.denhaag.nl<;http://www.denhaag.nl>;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> De disclaimer van toepassing op e-mail van de gemeente Den Haag
>>>>>> vindt u
>>>>>> op: http://www.denhaag.nl/disclaimer
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> @LeonieWatson @ <EMAIL REMOVED> Carpe diem
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
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>>> --
>>> Joshue O Connor
>>> Director | InterAccess.ie
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>>> >>>
>>
>>
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>
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