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From: L Snider
Date: Feb 6, 2018 10:21AM

Wow, I hope they are paying you a lot! People abuse PowerPoint in the worst
ways, I wish we could publicly post some of them.

Oh now I get it with the languages...You can likely make the 'original'
PowerPoint way, way better by recreating it, and while the PDF won't be
100%, at least you have a hope that it will be better! Can you do an
accessible template for them? That might help a bit, but it depends.

Will they be swapping out images in other languages? Then the alts are an
issue too, as they should be in the right language...

Although, I hope they change the language in each of them in the PDF. Even
if they can at least try the Wizard, it will help a bit. I know, optimistic
but it is the easiest way for language and a few smaller things. Although
that assumes they are on Windows/Mac with Acrobat Pro.

Yes, for sure, at least they are thinking in this direction and have you to
help them. Most people don't think of other languages, and it is something
that many work with.

Have fun with it, well not fun but every small change makes a big
difference!

Cheers

Lisa



On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Lisa, no nothing was done, not even kidding what a nightmare it is,
> when I look at all the things I need to fix in the PDF, well it makes my
> head hurt, overlays of graphics, little pieces here and there, etc. When
> they translate to another language, they will use the same PP base and do
> the same thing....I can do it no matter what it is, I was just really
> wondering if it started off fine/accessible as a Power Point, would it
> still be okay when converted?
> More as a timesaver and to make my head hurt less!
>
> I give them credit (State Agency) for being sure that it's okay (for
> once), but then when they told me they were making it other languages and I
> brought up accessibility for those versions as well, well it never occurred
> to them....so there ya go
>
> I guess I need to experiment with something on a smaller scale on my own
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 11:22 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
>
> Hi Sharon,
>
> Holy moly, now I see why you wanted to go back to a PowerPoint! Was it
> tagged? Or did you need to tag it?
>
> For anything converted to a PDF, for me, I never use the word
> automatic...a bit easier maybe, but that would be as far as I would go.
>
> You would still need to do work in the PDF to make it WCAG, and even more
> work to make it PDF/UA. I assume since you mentioned ADA, you are going for
> WCAG, a bit less work but still some work in PDF. Plus, then there is the
> reflow and tag orders, which should be okay if the PowerPoint was done
> well, but again this depends on many things (in my experience).
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Terzian, Sharon < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Hi Lisa, well it was sent to me to fix as a PDF, it's 24 pages and
> > came from a Power Point. It has up to 100 items/errors to fix on EACH
> > page, as in it deals with every piece of every graphic as a separate
> > entity. On several pages, there are bulleted lists, all with designs
> > behind them. And the order is a nightmare with up for (again) 100
> > things to either ignore or put in order. I know that it's easier to
> > do in Power Point (as far as order, etc) even if I started over and
> > cut and pasted each 'piece' instead of wrangling with it. Since it's
> > also going to be translated into several other languages, I was just
> > curious to know if it started as a full accessible (tagged, ordered,
> > etc) Power Point, would it automatically be fine as a PDF.
> > And yes I have the full, paid version of Adobe.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of L Snider
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:35 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
> >
> > Hi Sharon,
> >
> > NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey
> > already, it shows what some people are using.
> > https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
> >
> > In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local
> > preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most.
> > Windows-Eyes was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
> >
> > Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for
> > testing.
> >
> > Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have
> > made significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive
> > can still be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want
> to do.
> >
> > Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are
> > thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA
> > > compliant (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
> > >
> > > If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly,
> > > etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF
> > > (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it
> > helps)?
> > > They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought
> > > that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less
> > > time consuming as well.
> > >
> > > A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> > > https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create
> > > interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent
> > > time on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being
> > > ADA and it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a
> > > fancy flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it
> > > won't work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
> > >
> > > Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that
> > > you know of?
> > > Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for
> > > less money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> > > documents/websites work well with it?
> > > I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > >
> > > Sharon Terzian
> > > Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center Adjunct
> > > Professor/CIS/College of Business Rhode Island College
> > > www.sherlockcenter.org
> > >
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