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From: Terzian, Sharon
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 7:39AM
Subject: couple of questions
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Hi
I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA compliant (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly, etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it helps)?
They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less time consuming as well.
A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent time on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being ADA and it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a fancy flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it won't work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that you know of?
Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for less money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having documents/websites work well with it?
I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
Thank you all,
Sharon Terzian
Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center
Adjunct Professor/CIS/College of Business
Rhode Island College
www.sherlockcenter.org
From: BF Devs
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 8:07AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Technically regarding Section508 compliance, even the Access Board and Homeland Security see weird about the use of JAWS. Sometimes JAWS cannot parse Aria labels (this is detailed in JAWS changelogs) or has issues with tables. Now, using NVDA might be great and it parses- or parses a bit differently... but it doesn't mean the underlying code isn't fine. These inconsistencies drift in the sea of the net and get dragged out into the glaring sun.
I say TECHNICALLY because even though the Access Board etc says this, obviously I would test to see if keyboard controls work as expected, if AT/other screens work, if there are known issues with the reader....and so on. Things can be in compliance and not actually be useful/accessed, after all.
-Kit
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> On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA compliant (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
>
> If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly, etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it helps)?
> They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less time consuming as well.
>
> A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent time on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being ADA and it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a fancy flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it won't work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
>
> Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that you know of?
> Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for less money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having documents/websites work well with it?
> I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Sharon Terzian
> Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center
> Adjunct Professor/CIS/College of Business
> Rhode Island College
> www.sherlockcenter.org
>
>
> > > >
From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 8:34AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Sharon,
NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey already,
it shows what some people are using.
https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local
preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most. Windows-Eyes
was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for
testing.
Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have made
significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive can still
be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want to do.
Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are
thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi
> I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA compliant (I
> know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
>
> If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly, etc)
> would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF (it's a
> nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it helps)?
> They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought that if
> it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less time consuming as
> well.
>
> A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create interactive
> learning modules. When she started using it, I spent time on the phone
> with the vendor, who initially sold it as being ADA and it's not (JAWS
> can't read it, essentially it ends up being a fancy flash file and if I try
> and adjust the backend HTML code, it won't work), and after our
> conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
>
> Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that you
> know of?
> Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for less
> money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> documents/websites work well with it?
> I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Sharon Terzian
> Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center
> Adjunct Professor/CIS/College of Business
> Rhode Island College
> www.sherlockcenter.org
>
>
> > > > >
From: Terzian, Sharon
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 8:48AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Lisa, well it was sent to me to fix as a PDF, it's 24 pages and came from a Power Point. It has up to 100 items/errors to fix on EACH page, as in it deals with every piece of every graphic as a separate entity. On several pages, there are bulleted lists, all with designs behind them. And the order is a nightmare with up for (again) 100 things to either ignore or put in order. I know that it's easier to do in Power Point (as far as order, etc) even if I started over and cut and pasted each 'piece' instead of wrangling with it. Since it's also going to be translated into several other languages, I was just curious to know if it started as a full accessible (tagged, ordered, etc) Power Point, would it automatically be fine as a PDF.
And yes I have the full, paid version of Adobe.
Thanks!
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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:35 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
Hi Sharon,
NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey already, it shows what some people are using.
https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most. Windows-Eyes was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for testing.
Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have made significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive can still be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want to do.
Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi
> I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA compliant
> (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
>
> If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly,
> etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF
> (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it helps)?
> They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought
> that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less time
> consuming as well.
>
> A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create
> interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent time
> on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being ADA and
> it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a fancy
> flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it won't
> work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
>
> Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that you
> know of?
> Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for less
> money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> documents/websites work well with it?
> I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
>
> Thank you all,
>
> Sharon Terzian
> Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center Adjunct
> Professor/CIS/College of Business Rhode Island College
> www.sherlockcenter.org
>
>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 9:21AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Sharon,
Holy moly, now I see why you wanted to go back to a PowerPoint! Was it
tagged? Or did you need to tag it?
For anything converted to a PDF, for me, I never use the word automatic...a
bit easier maybe, but that would be as far as I would go.
You would still need to do work in the PDF to make it WCAG, and even more
work to make it PDF/UA. I assume since you mentioned ADA, you are going for
WCAG, a bit less work but still some work in PDF. Plus, then there is the
reflow and tag orders, which should be okay if the PowerPoint was done
well, but again this depends on many things (in my experience).
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Lisa, well it was sent to me to fix as a PDF, it's 24 pages and came
> from a Power Point. It has up to 100 items/errors to fix on EACH page, as
> in it deals with every piece of every graphic as a separate entity. On
> several pages, there are bulleted lists, all with designs behind them. And
> the order is a nightmare with up for (again) 100 things to either ignore or
> put in order. I know that it's easier to do in Power Point (as far as
> order, etc) even if I started over and cut and pasted each 'piece' instead
> of wrangling with it. Since it's also going to be translated into several
> other languages, I was just curious to know if it started as a full
> accessible (tagged, ordered, etc) Power Point, would it automatically be
> fine as a PDF.
> And yes I have the full, paid version of Adobe.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
>
> Hi Sharon,
>
> NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey already,
> it shows what some people are using.
> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
>
> In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local
> preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most. Windows-Eyes
> was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
>
> Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for
> testing.
>
> Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have made
> significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive can still
> be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want to do.
>
> Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are
> thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA compliant
> > (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
> >
> > If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly,
> > etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF
> > (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it
> helps)?
> > They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought
> > that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less time
> > consuming as well.
> >
> > A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> > https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create
> > interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent time
> > on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being ADA and
> > it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a fancy
> > flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it won't
> > work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
> >
> > Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that you
> > know of?
> > Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for less
> > money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> > documents/websites work well with it?
> > I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> >
> > Sharon Terzian
> > Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center Adjunct
> > Professor/CIS/College of Business Rhode Island College
> > www.sherlockcenter.org
> >
> >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >
From: Terzian, Sharon
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 9:33AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Lisa, no nothing was done, not even kidding what a nightmare it is, when I look at all the things I need to fix in the PDF, well it makes my head hurt, overlays of graphics, little pieces here and there, etc. When they translate to another language, they will use the same PP base and do the same thing....I can do it no matter what it is, I was just really wondering if it started off fine/accessible as a Power Point, would it still be okay when converted?
More as a timesaver and to make my head hurt less!
I give them credit (State Agency) for being sure that it's okay (for once), but then when they told me they were making it other languages and I brought up accessibility for those versions as well, well it never occurred to them....so there ya go
I guess I need to experiment with something on a smaller scale on my own
Thanks!!!
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 11:22 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
Hi Sharon,
Holy moly, now I see why you wanted to go back to a PowerPoint! Was it tagged? Or did you need to tag it?
For anything converted to a PDF, for me, I never use the word automatic...a bit easier maybe, but that would be as far as I would go.
You would still need to do work in the PDF to make it WCAG, and even more work to make it PDF/UA. I assume since you mentioned ADA, you are going for WCAG, a bit less work but still some work in PDF. Plus, then there is the reflow and tag orders, which should be okay if the PowerPoint was done well, but again this depends on many things (in my experience).
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Lisa, well it was sent to me to fix as a PDF, it's 24 pages and
> came from a Power Point. It has up to 100 items/errors to fix on EACH
> page, as in it deals with every piece of every graphic as a separate
> entity. On several pages, there are bulleted lists, all with designs
> behind them. And the order is a nightmare with up for (again) 100
> things to either ignore or put in order. I know that it's easier to
> do in Power Point (as far as order, etc) even if I started over and
> cut and pasted each 'piece' instead of wrangling with it. Since it's
> also going to be translated into several other languages, I was just
> curious to know if it started as a full accessible (tagged, ordered,
> etc) Power Point, would it automatically be fine as a PDF.
> And yes I have the full, paid version of Adobe.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
>
> Hi Sharon,
>
> NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey
> already, it shows what some people are using.
> https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
>
> In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local
> preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most.
> Windows-Eyes was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
>
> Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for
> testing.
>
> Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have
> made significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive
> can still be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want to do.
>
> Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are
> thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA
> > compliant (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
> >
> > If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly,
> > etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF
> > (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it
> helps)?
> > They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought
> > that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less
> > time consuming as well.
> >
> > A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> > https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create
> > interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent
> > time on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being
> > ADA and it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a
> > fancy flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it
> > won't work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
> >
> > Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that
> > you know of?
> > Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for
> > less money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> > documents/websites work well with it?
> > I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> >
> > Sharon Terzian
> > Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center Adjunct
> > Professor/CIS/College of Business Rhode Island College
> > www.sherlockcenter.org
> >
> >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 10:21AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Wow, I hope they are paying you a lot! People abuse PowerPoint in the worst
ways, I wish we could publicly post some of them.
Oh now I get it with the languages...You can likely make the 'original'
PowerPoint way, way better by recreating it, and while the PDF won't be
100%, at least you have a hope that it will be better! Can you do an
accessible template for them? That might help a bit, but it depends.
Will they be swapping out images in other languages? Then the alts are an
issue too, as they should be in the right language...
Although, I hope they change the language in each of them in the PDF. Even
if they can at least try the Wizard, it will help a bit. I know, optimistic
but it is the easiest way for language and a few smaller things. Although
that assumes they are on Windows/Mac with Acrobat Pro.
Yes, for sure, at least they are thinking in this direction and have you to
help them. Most people don't think of other languages, and it is something
that many work with.
Have fun with it, well not fun but every small change makes a big
difference!
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Lisa, no nothing was done, not even kidding what a nightmare it is,
> when I look at all the things I need to fix in the PDF, well it makes my
> head hurt, overlays of graphics, little pieces here and there, etc. When
> they translate to another language, they will use the same PP base and do
> the same thing....I can do it no matter what it is, I was just really
> wondering if it started off fine/accessible as a Power Point, would it
> still be okay when converted?
> More as a timesaver and to make my head hurt less!
>
> I give them credit (State Agency) for being sure that it's okay (for
> once), but then when they told me they were making it other languages and I
> brought up accessibility for those versions as well, well it never occurred
> to them....so there ya go
>
> I guess I need to experiment with something on a smaller scale on my own
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 11:22 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
>
> Hi Sharon,
>
> Holy moly, now I see why you wanted to go back to a PowerPoint! Was it
> tagged? Or did you need to tag it?
>
> For anything converted to a PDF, for me, I never use the word
> automatic...a bit easier maybe, but that would be as far as I would go.
>
> You would still need to do work in the PDF to make it WCAG, and even more
> work to make it PDF/UA. I assume since you mentioned ADA, you are going for
> WCAG, a bit less work but still some work in PDF. Plus, then there is the
> reflow and tag orders, which should be okay if the PowerPoint was done
> well, but again this depends on many things (in my experience).
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi Lisa, well it was sent to me to fix as a PDF, it's 24 pages and
> > came from a Power Point. It has up to 100 items/errors to fix on EACH
> > page, as in it deals with every piece of every graphic as a separate
> > entity. On several pages, there are bulleted lists, all with designs
> > behind them. And the order is a nightmare with up for (again) 100
> > things to either ignore or put in order. I know that it's easier to
> > do in Power Point (as far as order, etc) even if I started over and
> > cut and pasted each 'piece' instead of wrangling with it. Since it's
> > also going to be translated into several other languages, I was just
> > curious to know if it started as a full accessible (tagged, ordered,
> > etc) Power Point, would it automatically be fine as a PDF.
> > And yes I have the full, paid version of Adobe.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> > Behalf Of L Snider
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 10:35 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
> >
> > Hi Sharon,
> >
> > NVDA is pretty important as well. If you haven't seen this survey
> > already, it shows what some people are using.
> > https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/
> >
> > In my experience the use of products depends on country, region, local
> > preferences. However, I do see JAWS and NVDA used the most.
> > Windows-Eyes was popular in places I lived, but that is now JAWS.
> >
> > Also magnification and voice recognition (ex:Dragon) are important for
> > testing.
> >
> > Moodle is much better than it was and Blackboard as well. Both have
> > made significant improvements the last two years. However, interactive
> > can still be a problem, as you mentioned. It all depends what you want
> to do.
> >
> > Can you expand on why the PDF is problematic? I am curious why you are
> > thinking of converting it back if the PowerPoint was okay.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > I have to adapt a PDF that came from a Power Point to be ADA
> > > compliant (I know how to do it, this was outsourced to me).
> > >
> > > If the Power Point was ADA to begin with (tagged/ordered correctly,
> > > etc) would it automatically be okay when converted/saved to a PDF
> > > (it's a nightmare in PDF and I can get it as Power Point file if it
> > helps)?
> > > They also will be translating it to several languages so I thought
> > > that if it's fine in Power Point, that part would be easier/less
> > > time consuming as well.
> > >
> > > A Colleague uses a program called Articulate - Story Lines (
> > > https://articulate.com/award-winning-storyline-360) to create
> > > interactive learning modules. When she started using it, I spent
> > > time on the phone with the vendor, who initially sold it as being
> > > ADA and it's not (JAWS can't read it, essentially it ends up being a
> > > fancy flash file and if I try and adjust the backend HTML code, it
> > > won't work), and after our conversation, they admitted it wasn't.
> > >
> > > Are there any true compliant course module creators out there that
> > > you know of?
> > > Also, just in case not, I'm looking into other screen readers for
> > > less money. Is JAWS still the be all and end all as far as having
> > > documents/websites work well with it?
> > > I found NVDA and a friend mentioned ZoomText.
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > >
> > > Sharon Terzian
> > > Webmistress/Accessible Content/Sherlock Center Adjunct
> > > Professor/CIS/College of Business Rhode Island College
> > > www.sherlockcenter.org
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
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From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 11:23AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> ... I was just really wondering if it started off fine/accessible as a Power
> Point, would it still be okay when converted?
Exporting a PDF from a correctly constructed PowerPoint file will be better than the complex mess you currently have. But it won't be perfect.
The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe (such as lists coming out as P tags).
But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
You will, however, be able to improve the reading orders.
One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or very nearly perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
--Bevi
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â â â
PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
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Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes
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From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 11:32AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Bevi,
I also love InDesign now (2018), but one major issue I found...Not everyone
has had this happen, but Adobe has apparently officially made it a bug, as
I was one of a few who experienced this issue. I use the newest version of
InDesign and Acrobat, and when we convert from InDesign using Export with
tags enabled (Print or Interactive), all the headings and paragraphs turn
into spans. This only shows in the TURO in Acrobat, and yet the tags panel
is normal. I told them in October and have not seen any change yet, but am
hoping it happens soon. It is a total pain, if you like the TURO and want
to use it to fix tags. I am going to follow up with them, because I find
this to be a major problem in my work.
Like we needed more bugs! Any other weird stuff you have found with PPT to
PDF?
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:23 PM, < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > ... I was just really wondering if it started off fine/accessible as a
> Power
> > Point, would it still be okay when converted?
>
> Exporting a PDF from a correctly constructed PowerPoint file will be
> better than the complex mess you currently have. But it won't be perfect.
>
> The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some
> tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe
> (such as lists coming out as P tags).
>
> But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a myriad
> of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF is made
> because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
>
> You will, however, be able to improve the reading orders.
>
> One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign where we
> have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or very nearly
> perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
>
> --Bevi
>
> â â â
> Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> â â â
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
> consulting ' training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes
> â â â
>
>
> > > > >
From: Duff Johnson
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 11:56AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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> The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe (such as lists coming out as P tags).
If Microsoft includes an "export to PDF" feature in PowerPoint (and they do), then Microsoft can make an accessible PDF file. It's up to them, but they attend to these sorts of details the same way every software company does: based on customer demand for it.
This link visits a page providing instructions on how to send Microsoft feedback about their software. You can do it from within PowerPoint itself:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac>
> But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
As above; this is 100% up to Microsoft; it has nothing to do with PDF. Note that Adobe's software is only one of several that can remediate artifacts.
> One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or very nearly perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
Yep, that's a fine solution⦠for people who can deal with InDesign. PowerPoint users - especially those with Section 508 obligations - should let Microsoft know that PowerPoint should be doing a better job at PDF output!!
Duff.
From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 3:21PM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Some comments.
1. Yes, Duff's right. Let Microsoft know you want its Export to PDF/Save as PDF utilities to make accessible PDFs. Right now, they don't. See Duff's link below for details. https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Windows
2. We create accessible PDFs from PowerPoint using Adobe's PDFMaker plug-in (ribbon). At some point in 2017, this workflow no longer produced correctly tagged lists. They come out with P tags, not the compound L/LI tags.
IIRC, this happened after Adobe updated PDFMaker to its current version, so I'm leaning toward pointing the PointPower-PDF finger at them for this problem. However, having been in software development and testing for more decades than I'd like to admit, it also could have been something Microsoft did during a PowerPoint update. Either company could have produced the bug. Or both.
Both companies have been notified of the problem, but I have no crystal ball as to when -- or if -- it will be corrected.
3. RE: artifacting the graphic pieces, InDesign has the tools for users to indicate that certain text frames, graphic frames, and paragraphs of text should be artifacted when the PDF is exported. I don't want to have to remediate those devils in every PDF I make, or every time I export to PDF from the same source document.
None of Microsoft's products has a similar tool and I miss it every time I have to work in MS Office.
Now there's another request to make to Microsoft!
âBevi
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consulting ' training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services
Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes
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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:56 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
> The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe (such as lists coming out as P tags).
If Microsoft includes an "export to PDF" feature in PowerPoint (and they do), then Microsoft can make an accessible PDF file. It's up to them, but they attend to these sorts of details the same way every software company does: based on customer demand for it.
This link visits a page providing instructions on how to send Microsoft feedback about their software. You can do it from within PowerPoint itself:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac>
> But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
As above; this is 100% up to Microsoft; it has nothing to do with PDF. Note that Adobe's software is only one of several that can remediate artifacts.
> One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or very nearly perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
Yep, that's a fine solution⦠for people who can deal with InDesign. PowerPoint users - especially those with Section 508 obligations - should let Microsoft know that PowerPoint should be doing a better job at PDF output!!
Duff.
From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 3:45PM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Lisa wrote: "Any other weird stuff you have found with PPT to PDF?"
Ha! The entire process is one weird experience! My top weird-oddities are:
1. Never make your own template from scratch. Instead, take one of their existing templates or sample PPTs and hack it.
2. Of course, follow MS's guidelines here, https://support.office.com/en-us/article/make-your-powerpoint-presentations-accessible-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25 but note that this doesn't work well.
3. When your bullets don't export as L/LI tags, copy/paste a bullet list from one of MS's accessible PPT files and then re-style the content to fit your design. See: https://templates.office.com/en-us/Accessible-Template-Sampler-TM16401472?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US Use any of the accessible templates from the Download button in the upper half of the page, not the lower PPTs.
4. Controlling the Order in the PPT doesn't always produce the reading order you want in the PDF. My shop has given up trying to figure out a workaround for this one.
--Bevi
â â â
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â â â
PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
consulting ' training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services
Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes
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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:33 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
Hi Bevi,
I also love InDesign now (2018), but one major issue I found...Not everyone has had this happen, but Adobe has apparently officially made it a bug, as I was one of a few who experienced this issue. I use the newest version of InDesign and Acrobat, and when we convert from InDesign using Export with tags enabled (Print or Interactive), all the headings and paragraphs turn into spans. This only shows in the TURO in Acrobat, and yet the tags panel is normal. I told them in October and have not seen any change yet, but am hoping it happens soon. It is a total pain, if you like the TURO and want to use it to fix tags. I am going to follow up with them, because I find this to be a major problem in my work.
Like we needed more bugs! Any other weird stuff you have found with PPT to PDF?
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:23 PM, < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > ... I was just really wondering if it started off fine/accessible as
> > a
> Power
> > Point, would it still be okay when converted?
>
> Exporting a PDF from a correctly constructed PowerPoint file will be
> better than the complex mess you currently have. But it won't be perfect.
>
> The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some
> tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe
> (such as lists coming out as P tags).
>
> But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a
> myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF
> is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
>
> You will, however, be able to improve the reading orders.
>
> One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign
> where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or
> very nearly
> perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
>
> --Bevi
>
> â â â
> Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = â â â
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting '
> training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services Upcoming classes
> at www.PubCom.com/classes â â â
>
>
> > > > >
From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 3:54PM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Bevi, I knew you would say that! LOL
Thanks for clarifying the template, I didn't mention that above.
I haven't had the List into Paragraph issue yet, all my lists have been
okay. Is this a Windows bug? I am working on both, and on my Mac it seems
okay. However, I am also the one with the InDesign bug, so maybe I am lucky
in one thing and not the other!
Love the tip about the copying the bullet list from an accessible PPT
template, thanks! That is a major time saver.
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:45 PM, < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Lisa wrote: "Any other weird stuff you have found with PPT to PDF?"
>
> Ha! The entire process is one weird experience! My top weird-oddities are:
>
> 1. Never make your own template from scratch. Instead, take one of their
> existing templates or sample PPTs and hack it.
>
> 2. Of course, follow MS's guidelines here, https://support.office.com/en-
> us/article/make-your-powerpoint-presentations-
> accessible-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25 but note that this
> doesn't work well.
>
> 3. When your bullets don't export as L/LI tags, copy/paste a bullet list
> from one of MS's accessible PPT files and then re-style the content to fit
> your design. See: https://templates.office.com/en-us/Accessible-Template-
> Sampler-TM16401472?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US Use any of the accessible
> templates from the Download button in the upper half of the page, not the
> lower PPTs.
>
> 4. Controlling the Order in the PPT doesn't always produce the reading
> order you want in the PDF. My shop has given up trying to figure out a
> workaround for this one.
>
> --Bevi
>
> â â â
> Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> â â â
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
> consulting ' training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes
> â â â
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:33 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
>
> Hi Bevi,
>
> I also love InDesign now (2018), but one major issue I found...Not
> everyone has had this happen, but Adobe has apparently officially made it a
> bug, as I was one of a few who experienced this issue. I use the newest
> version of InDesign and Acrobat, and when we convert from InDesign using
> Export with tags enabled (Print or Interactive), all the headings and
> paragraphs turn into spans. This only shows in the TURO in Acrobat, and yet
> the tags panel is normal. I told them in October and have not seen any
> change yet, but am hoping it happens soon. It is a total pain, if you like
> the TURO and want to use it to fix tags. I am going to follow up with them,
> because I find this to be a major problem in my work.
>
> Like we needed more bugs! Any other weird stuff you have found with PPT to
> PDF?
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:23 PM, < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Terzian, Sharon < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > > ... I was just really wondering if it started off fine/accessible as
> > > a
> > Power
> > > Point, would it still be okay when converted?
> >
> > Exporting a PDF from a correctly constructed PowerPoint file will be
> > better than the complex mess you currently have. But it won't be perfect.
> >
> > The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some
> > tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe
> > (such as lists coming out as P tags).
> >
> > But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a
> > myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF
> > is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
> >
> > You will, however, be able to improve the reading orders.
> >
> > One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign
> > where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or
> > very nearly
> > perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
> >
> > --Bevi
> >
> > â â â
> > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = â â â
> > PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting '
> > training ' development ' design ' sec. 508 services Upcoming classes
> > at www.PubCom.com/classes â â â
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
From: Philip Kiff
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 4:41PM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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> 4. Controlling the Order in the PPT doesn't always produce the reading order you want in the PDF.
That's an understatement!
Having said that, here are some notes towards improving your control of
the reading order of a PowerPoint that is published to PDF:
- The main editable item controlling the order seems to be the order of
objects in the object "Selection Pane", found in the Format menu
- You can change the default order of slide elements for different slide
layouts when you are in the Slide Master view by changing the order of
the placeholders in that view. But start with the master layout and get
those objects ordered correctly first!
- The order of objects in the object "Selection Pane" is the reverse of
the logical order: it represents the order that things are "painted"
onto the slide. The things that are painted last will be read first
because in the logic of PowerPoint, they are "on top" of the other
things. So if you want the Title to occur first, then the Title
placeholder in a template should be at the *end* of the list of objects
in the Selection pane for that template.
- If your slides use only objects that match the placeholders, then the
order of your slide's content is close to matching what is defined in
the template. If you add objects that aren't in the template, then those
objects may be in orders that don't make sense. In some cases, you may
then be able to use the object Selection pane for an individual slide to
adjust the order of additional objects added to a template just on that
specific slide.
There. Isn't that about as clear as an unmuddied lake?
And I'm not at all sure that what I've said is even correct!
Phil.
From: Terzian, Sharon
Date: Tue, Feb 06 2018 7:07PM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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so thanks to all of you but you made my head hurt worse LOL
I have InDesign (I think it's part of my design suite, but I don't use it, if not I can get access to it from the college)
I honestly didn't think this was such a mess, and I'm glad to know that I didn't spend hours trying to 'fix' something that was still going to take me hours....I'm kinda getting paid, well paid what I get where I work, the State department that wants me to fix the document built money into a grant for the language translation, and in turn, I will be loaned out to do it. I was hoping that it wouldn't be a ton of hours, but now it looks like it will be, and the translations will not
be able to be part of it (unless I really figure out a streamlined way to accomplish this)
thanks! (I think!)
Sharon Terzian
Webmistress/Accessible Content
Sherlock Center
Adjunct Professor/CIS/College of Business
Rhode Island College
www.sherlockcenter.org<;http://www.sherlockcenter.org>;
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Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 5:21 PM
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Some comments.
1. Yes, Duff's right. Let Microsoft know you want its Export to PDF/Save as PDF utilities to make accessible PDFs. Right now, they don't. See Duff's link below for details. https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Windows
How do I give feedback on Microsoft Office? - Office Support<https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Windows>
support.office.com
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2. We create accessible PDFs from PowerPoint using Adobe's PDFMaker plug-in (ribbon). At some point in 2017, this workflow no longer produced correctly tagged lists. They come out with P tags, not the compound L/LI tags.
IIRC, this happened after Adobe updated PDFMaker to its current version, so I'm leaning toward pointing the PointPower-PDF finger at them for this problem. However, having been in software development and testing for more decades than I'd like to admit, it also could have been something Microsoft did during a PowerPoint update. Either company could have produced the bug. Or both.
Both companies have been notified of the problem, but I have no crystal ball as to when -- or if -- it will be corrected.
3. RE: artifacting the graphic pieces, InDesign has the tools for users to indicate that certain text frames, graphic frames, and paragraphs of text should be artifacted when the PDF is exported. I don't want to have to remediate those devils in every PDF I make, or every time I export to PDF from the same source document.
None of Microsoft's products has a similar tool and I miss it every time I have to work in MS Office.
Now there's another request to make to Microsoft!
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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Duff Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:56 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] couple of questions
> The PPT to accessible PDF workflow has some shortcomings and also some tragic bugs that were recently introduced by either Microsoft or Adobe (such as lists coming out as P tags).
If Microsoft includes an "export to PDF" feature in PowerPoint (and they do), then Microsoft can make an accessible PDF file. It's up to them, but they attend to these sorts of details the same way every software company does: based on customer demand for it.
This link visits a page providing instructions on how to send Microsoft feedback about their software. You can do it from within PowerPoint itself:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-do-i-give-feedback-on-microsoft-office-2b102d44-b43f-4dd2-9ff4-23cf144cfb11#platform=Mac>
> But no matter how well you construct the PPT, you'll still have a myriad of graphic parts to artifact manually in Acrobat after the PDF is made because there is no way to label anything as an artifact in PPT.
As above; this is 100% up to Microsoft; it has nothing to do with PDF. Note that Adobe's software is only one of several that can remediate artifacts.
> One idea: we've moved many of our presentations to Adobe InDesign where we have micro-control on everything and can export a perfect (or very nearly perfect) accessible PDF that looks like a PowerPoint...but better!
Yep, that's a fine solution⦠for people who can deal with InDesign. PowerPoint users - especially those with Section 508 obligations - should let Microsoft know that PowerPoint should be doing a better job at PDF output!!
Duff.
From: Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)
Date: Thu, Feb 08 2018 8:56AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Sharon,
I wonder if you could use InDesign to get a clean copy of the English version, and then copy/ paste into a copy of that InDesign document for the other language versions. That way, you wouldn't have to go through all the steps to deal with the images, etc.
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility
Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS)
1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108
Office: (617) 626-4502
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From: Terzian, Sharon
Date: Thu, Feb 08 2018 8:58AM
Subject: Re: couple of questions
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Hi Sarah.....Yeah that's kinda what I was hoping for, haven't had time to investigate more right now, but I will
Waiting on the final version (because they nit pick ridiculously) before I even think about it....
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Sharon,
I wonder if you could use InDesign to get a clean copy of the English version, and then copy/ paste into a copy of that InDesign document for the other language versions. That way, you wouldn't have to go through all the steps to deal with the images, etc.
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility
Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS)
1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108
Office: (617) 626-4502
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = | www.mass.gov/eotss