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Re: [EXTERNAL] Navigation in application mode

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From: glen walker
Date: Jun 22, 2018 1:48PM

Birkir, when you say that navigation to a grid should automatically switch
to application/forms mode, are you saying a well-behaved screen reader
should do that for you or that the web developer should be forcing it
somehow?

The spec for the grid role doesn't explicitly say a user agent should
switch modes but it does say the author should manage the focus.

When navigating to a grid, NVDA doesn't give an audible notification that
forms mode switched but JAWS does. Using the right arrow after entering a
grid, NVDA just reads character by character whereas JAWS will navigate to
the next grid cell.

So it sounds like JAWS handles the grid as you explained but NVDA does not.




On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I would go with a grid
> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#grid
> Once inside a grid the screen reader should automatically switch to
> application/forms mode passing keys through to the webpage.
> Then you can set up keyboard listeners to respond to the arrow key presses.
> For the JQuery script see this example of an accessible date picker:
> https://dequeuniversity.com/library/aria/date-pickers/sf-date-picker
> I workd with a developer to create this. As it was done in 2014 when
> the grid role was poorly supported we used role="application" to force
> the application mode, I believe that is no longer necessary.
>
>
>
> On 6/22/18, Brandon Keith Biggs < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Here is a good design for a calendar:
> > http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Date%
> 20Pickers/ARIA%20Date%20Picker%20(Basic)/demo.htm
> >
> > If you want to add in appointments, tell the user how many appointments
> > there are each day and allow them to hit enter to see what is on that day
> > and escape to exit back to the date picker.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:23 AM Tim Harshbarger <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >> Instead of using role="application", it would be better to use an ARIA
> >> design pattern that more closely matched the interaction.
> >>
> >> The thing with role="application" is that, while it puts screen reader
> >> users in forms mode, it doesn't really tell us how to get around the
> >> application. So using role="application" for one part of the page is
> not
> >> likely to inform screen reader users that pressing the up and down arrow
> >> keys will move from meeting to meeting and pressing the left and right
> >> arrow keys will move between days.
> >>
> >> A listbox might work because a screen reader user will expect the up and
> >> down arrow keys to move up and down the list. Unfortunately, there is
> >> also
> >> an expectation that using the left and right arrow keys will do the same
> >> exact thing as using the up and down arrow keys. Users would not expect
> >> the left and right arrow keys to move between days. If you used a
> >> listbox,
> >> you likely would need to explicitly inform users of what the left and
> >> right
> >> arrow keys do differently.
> >>
> >> To me, this sounds more like a grid. In a grid, there would likely be
> a
> >> better expectation that the up and down arrow keys would move within the
> >> day while the left and right arrow keys move between days.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> >> Behalf Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 1:27 AM
> >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [WebAIM] Navigation in application mode
> >>
> >> Hi all.
> >>
> >> I have a dev who is doing something really non-standard. As far as I
> >> understand the issue at this point of time. He wants to use the up/down
> >> arrow to move between meetings. The left and right arrow moving between
> >> the
> >> days. Using non-application mode will not work due to screen readers as
> >> far
> >> as I can tell. But he wants use the application role to achieve this.
> >> These
> >> UI I am referring to have buttons for next and prior day. The meetings
> >> from
> >> memory are not in any UI element like a list.
> >>
> >> Any ideas how this can be achieved without using application mode?
> >>
> >>
> >> How does the javascript keyboard event handle keyboard navigation when
> it
> >> is
> >> not on an element. Do you have to apply the keyboard event to the body
> of
> >> the html and track from there?
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
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>
>
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