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From: pratik roy
Date: Jul 29, 2018 12:43AM

Hi Jared,

Thanks for your reply.

I understand your point, treating those links as same page link and moving
the focus to start of changed content would solve my problem to some extent
but my doubt is, what if screen reader can't recognize the link as same
page link. In that case, when user click on a link, for example, 'Contact
us' link, don't you think, they would expect a page load and other screen
reader behavior associated with a that, like start reading 'Contact Us'
page title and the rest of page content?
That is the reason, I am still little bit reluctant to move the focus to
start of the changed content. Accordingly to me, if we move the focus to
the beginning to the page and also make the page title read automatically
then that would give better user experience. Obviously this would not give
the essence of single page application but they will get the experience as
per the expectation. This is my thoughts. Kindly let me know your thoughts
on this.




Thanks & Regards
PRATIK ROY

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> 1. Re: When "Alt" is not the semantically-correct representation
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> 2. How Screen Reader should read Single Page Application?
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> 3. Re: How Screen Reader should read Single Page Application?
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
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> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:20:36 +0100
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] When "Alt" is not the semantically-correct
> representation of an image
> >I wonder if an <svg> element with <text> and role="presentation" would
> >be interpreted by screen readers are plain text.
>
> forked and made this rather elaborate SVG text example as a test, seems to
> work fine after sprinkling some ARIA on it.
>
> demo https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/wxPojo
> codepen: https://codepen.io/stevef/pen/wxPojo
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work @W3C
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;
>
> On 28 July 2018 at 14:55, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if an <svg> element with <text> and role="presentation" would
> > be interpreted by screen readers are plain text.
> > SVG icons can be resized and the <text> element can be styled, so for
> > sighted users SVGs are much more accessible.
> > It's getting awfully hacky admittedly.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/28/18, Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > Ryan, no worries, and I agree with your point :-)
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > SteveF
> > > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> > standards-work-at-w3c/>
> > >
> > > On 28 July 2018 at 14:45, Ryan E. Benson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Steve, I wasn't specifically talking about that part or to you,
> > apologies
> > >> if you thought that. I was commenting on how people were saying how it
> > >> would work with JAWS and NVDA, but Voice Over may have issues.
> > >>
> > >> Ryan E. Benson
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 09:35 Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Ryan, that's why it says in the spec:
> > >> >
> > >> > " Sometimes, an image only contains text, and the purpose of the
> image
> > >> > is
> > >> > to display text using visual effects and /or fonts. It is *strongly*
> > >> > recommended that text styled using CSS be used, but if this is not
> > >> > possible, provide the same text in the alt attribute as is in the
> > image.
> > >> "
> > >> > https://www.w3.org/TR/html/semantics-embedded-content.
> > >> html#images-of-text
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > SteveF
> > >> > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > >> > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> > >> standards-work-at-w3c/>
> > >> >
> > >> > On 28 July 2018 at 14:29, Ryan E. Benson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Just a friendly reminder that accessibility stretches past screen
> > >> > readers.
> > >> > > I can't test right now, but this could cause headaches for people
> > who
> > >> > > magnify the screen versus using a screen reader, depending on how
> > the
> > >> > text
> > >> > > is hidden.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ryan E. Benson
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 02:40 Steve Faulkner <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > The HTML spec includes advice/examples along these lines:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Images of text
> > >> > > > https://www.w3.org/TR/html/semantics-embedded-content.
> > >> > > html#images-of-text
> > >> > > > Inline images
> > >> > > >
> > >> > https://www.w3.org/TR/html/semantics-embedded-content.
> > html#inline-images
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Regards
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > SteveF
> > >> > > > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > >> > > > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> > >> > > standards-work-at-w3c/>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 28 July 2018 at 05:25, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> > >> > > > <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > I was one of the people criticizing role="text".
> > >> > > > > If you present something as an image to some users you should
> > >> present
> > >> > > > > it to all users.
> > >> > > > > Suppose you feel the need to use a heart icon to express your
> > >> undying
> > >> > > > > love for nacho fries:
> > >> > > > > "I heart nacho fries"
> > >> > > > > ("heart" being an image of a heart"), you chose a certain
> style
> > /
> > >> > > > approach.
> > >> > > > > You can make it accessible by adding alt="love" if you want
> the
> > >> > > > > literal meaning or alt="heart" if you want to inform a screen
> > >> reader
> > >> > > > > user that a heart icon stands for love (or, in this case,
> lust).
> > >> > > > > Yes, the screen reader will add the word "graphics" or "image"
> > to
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > sentence (depending on which one you use). A screen reader
> user
> > is
> > >> > > > > used to that, it's the standard for how an icon is presented.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > If you wanted to simply express your love as text you could
> have
> > >> just
> > >> > > > > written "I love nacho fries". The cognitive load for a screen
> > >> reader
> > >> > > > > user is no greater than that of other users who see text mixed
> > >> > > > > with
> > >> > an
> > >> > > > > image.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > If you are really worried mark the image as presentational and
> > >> > replace
> > >> > > > > it with a visually hidden text,, or tell your content person
> > that
> > >> > > > > mixing text and images like that can present a problem to
> screen
> > >> > > > > reader users; possibly others as well, what about users with
> > >> > cognitive
> > >> > > > > impairments, they may benefit or be harmed by this approach.
> > >> > > > > We don't need ARIA to fix what is not really a problem. I have
> > yet
> > >> to
> > >> > > > > see a convincing example where this role can be used for a
> > purpose
> > >> > > > > other than avoiding the word "graphic" to be added by a screen
> > >> > reader.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On 7/27/18, Duff Johnson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > Hi Steve,
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >>> But role="text" is not a
> > >> > > > > >>> documented role (yet?).
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> It was dumped from ARIA as there was not consensus on how
> it
> > >> > should
> > >> > > > be
> > >> > > > > >> implemented.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Boo. Hiss. This should get another look.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Or… add an "ActualText" attribute to HTML 5.3.. :-)
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Duff.
> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > --
> > >> > > > > Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: pratik roy < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:35:12 +0530
> Subject: [WebAIM] How Screen Reader should read Single Page Application?
> Hi Everyone,
>
> As we know, in a Single Page Application, when a user clicks on a link, we
> often see instead of loading the entire webpage only a portion of the web
> page is getting refreshed (say only main content is changing not the header
> or footer).In this kind of scenario how SR should read the new content?
>
> As the normal browser load is not happening, screen reader will not start
> reading the page content automatically but yes, I can use ARIA to make it
> read but here comes my actual question. From where SR should start reading-
>
> 1) Start from the title of the page and then the remaining content. OR
> 2) Only the changed content in main content section (skip header).
>
> Please let me know your thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> PRATIK ROY
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jared Smith < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 09:29:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] How Screen Reader should read Single Page
> Application?
> pratik wrote:
>
> > As the normal browser load is not happening, screen reader will not start
> > reading the page content automatically but yes, I can use ARIA to make it
> > read but here comes my actual question. From where SR should start
> reading-
>
> Using an ARIA alert or live region would not be optimal. While it
> would cause the text content to be read, it would be read as a stream
> of information devoid of semantics and structure. The user would not
> be able to pause/play of further explore the content, or interact with
> elements within it - unless they manually go find where that content
> is on the page.
>
> It would be best to set focus to the new content area so the screen
> reader will begin reading and navigating there. You indicated that the
> user is clicking on a link, so the best solution is to treat this as a
> link - essentially a same-page link.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
>
>
> > > > >
>