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RE: HTML Validator and CythiaSays

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From: Karl Groves
Date: Oct 30, 2003 2:23PM


The mere fact that CSE calls itself an HTML validator is misleading. The word "valid" has a very specific meaning, and the CSE product does not Validate.
It's advertised and sold as a validator while it clearly *does not and cannot* validate. It declares pages with serious errors to be 'valid'
and valid pages to have serious 'errors'.

VALIDATION
"The process of evaluating a system or component during or at the end of
the development process to determine whether it satisfies specified
requirements."

CSE does not validate. An HTML validator would mark as pass/fail against the document's specified DTD. CSE doesn't even use a DTD to check against, so how can it validate?

http://webtips.dan.info/validators.html


Karl L. Groves, Certified Master CIW Designer
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Britsios [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:50 PM
To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: HTML Validator and CythiaSays


For most people, CSE HTML Validator is better than the W3C or WDG validators as it checks more and finds more potential problems. It's also easier to use. With one check, it is checking HTML syntax, CSS syntax, spelling, and hyperlinks.

See http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Groves
To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: HTML Validator and CythiaSays


As Jukka already pointed out, the CSE "validator" is not a validator, it is a linter.
It also has a bad habit of displaying false warnings.

Validation for validation's sake is a pointless exercise. Its kind of like someone putting "table" as their table summary because Bobby tells them they need a table summary. ;-)

Submitting a page through a validator should be part of a process of quality assurance - i.e. checking to see if you've forgotten anything, messed up your nesting, misspelled an element or attribute, etc. For these purposes, the W3C or WDG validators are just fine.

Karl L. Groves, Certified Master CIW Designer
E-Commerce Manager
NASA Federal Credit Union
500 Prince Georges Blvd.
Upper Marlboro, MD 20774

301-249-1800 ext.497
Fax: 301-390-4531

Opinions expressed in this e-mail represent only myself and are not in any way to be taken as the words or opinions of my employer.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Britsios [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:45 PM
To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: HTML Validator and CythiaSays


Hallo!

Watching the discussion here, I though to make my comments.

I use the CSE HTML Pro Validator, and I am so satisfied, that I resell it myself.
You can download on my brandwith costs and test it for free:
http://www.webnauts.net/cse_validator.html


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