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Re: HTML Validator and CythiaSays

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From: John Britsios
Date: Oct 30, 2003 7:01PM


I also wanted to say that there is more than one definition of the word validator. CSE HTML Validator has never sold itself as a "formal" DTD validator.
It is a validator in the common definition of the word, the definition that most people use.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Groves" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
To: "John Britsios" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >; < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: HTML Validator and CythiaSays


> The mere fact that CSE calls itself an HTML validator is misleading. The word "valid" has a very specific meaning, and the CSE product does not Validate.
> It's advertised and sold as a validator while it clearly *does not and cannot* validate. It declares pages with serious errors to be 'valid'
> and valid pages to have serious 'errors'.
>
> VALIDATION
> "The process of evaluating a system or component during or at the end of
> the development process to determine whether it satisfies specified
> requirements."
>
> CSE does not validate. An HTML validator would mark as pass/fail against the document's specified DTD. CSE doesn't even use a DTD to check against, so how can it validate?
>
> http://webtips.dan.info/validators.html
>
>
> Karl L. Groves, Certified Master CIW Designer
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Britsios [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 3:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: HTML Validator and CythiaSays
>
>
> For most people, CSE HTML Validator is better than the W3C or WDG validators as it checks more and finds more potential problems. It's also easier to use. With one check, it is checking HTML syntax, CSS syntax, spelling, and hyperlinks.
>
> See http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl Groves
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:45 PM
> Subject: RE: HTML Validator and CythiaSays
>
>
> As Jukka already pointed out, the CSE "validator" is not a validator, it is a linter.
> It also has a bad habit of displaying false warnings.
>
> Validation for validation's sake is a pointless exercise. Its kind of like someone putting "table" as their table summary because Bobby tells them they need a table summary. ;-)
>
> Submitting a page through a validator should be part of a process of quality assurance - i.e. checking to see if you've forgotten anything, messed up your nesting, misspelled an element or attribute, etc. For these purposes, the W3C or WDG validators are just fine.
>
> Karl L. Groves, Certified Master CIW Designer
> E-Commerce Manager
> NASA Federal Credit Union
> 500 Prince Georges Blvd.
> Upper Marlboro, MD 20774
>
> 301-249-1800 ext.497
> Fax: 301-390-4531
>
> Opinions expressed in this e-mail represent only myself and are not in any way to be taken as the words or opinions of my employer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Britsios [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: HTML Validator and CythiaSays
>
>
> Hallo!
>
> Watching the discussion here, I though to make my comments.
>
> I use the CSE HTML Pro Validator, and I am so satisfied, that I resell it myself.
> You can download on my brandwith costs and test it