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From: Noble,Stephen L.
Date: Sep 13, 2018 7:45AM

Yes...as I stated, "I don't necessarily agree with everything they suggest..." So, thank you Peter for bringing up one point they make which is not the best. As most things go on the web, guidance for best practices is often a moving target.


--Steve Noble


From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > on behalf of Peter Krautzberger < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:34 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Math and the most accessible way to mark it up

Steve wrote:

> You might also want to consult the advice provided by Hawkes on their
MathML Best Practices page:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hawkeslearning.com_Accessibility_guides_mathml-5Fintro.html&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=OMRjgnEluQLOhq084qRw92JAxSf-1GlEDi-sRvif1Pw&s=pW_5nk08TgfpwEUCEQTu6KG7qO3W4tMHqLh7rhp2VTQ&e=

I would not follow the advice regarding "MathML Cloud". That service is
using a very outdated version of both MathJax and Speech Rule Engine that
should be avoided. You can simply use SRE and MathJax-node for server-side
processing.

Regards,
Peter.

2018-09-13 14:30 GMT+02:00 Noble,Stephen L. < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:

> For math speech to work as it should in NVDA, be sure you have MathPlayer
> installed on the same computer: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dessci.com_en_&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=OMRjgnEluQLOhq084qRw92JAxSf-1GlEDi-sRvif1Pw&s=6x2ayQjX-iDfiFrsRiNWmn95iswuRbvq-2u64eTAUWg&e=
> products/mathplayer/download.htm
>
>
> VoiceOver "should" work fine...unless something got broken in a recent
> release...I haven't tried it with math for the last several months.
>
>
> One thing I will add is that there are often more than one way that an
> expression might be coded that "looks" OK, but is not necessarily correct.
> I suggest you follow the examples found in the MathML in DAISY Structure
> Guidelines: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.daisy.org_z3986_structure_SG-2DDAISY3_part2-2Dmath.html&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=OMRjgnEluQLOhq084qRw92JAxSf-1GlEDi-sRvif1Pw&s=o78-PnNa04mYaRyAguu_Cni67XNj7na3OTRUFf4r6nU&e=
>
>
> You might also want to consult the advice provided by Hawkes on their
> MathML Best Practices page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hawkeslearning&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=OMRjgnEluQLOhq084qRw92JAxSf-1GlEDi-sRvif1Pw&s=bSX_XHpq7O2w-r1nj3XOi3csYHUs6UbcM5AKUFlWg-w&e=.
> com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_intro.html
>
> While I don't necessarily agree with everything they suggest, it does show
> how some people approach using MathML in the current reality of today's
> imperfect web.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> --Steve Noble
>
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> 502-969-3088
>
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > on behalf of
> Isabel Holdsworth < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:06 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Math and the most accessible way to mark it up
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a bit late to the math party, but we're struggling to figure out
> the best way to mark up math operations like fractions, indices, Greek
> letters, and even the Minus sign.
>
> We have the Wiris MathML editor plugged into one of our text editors,
> and it seems to do a really good job of encoding raw characters into
> MathML. For the most part it works well with JAWS, but NVDA misses
> some vital information, such as the "divided by" between the numerator
> and denominator of a fraction, or the "to the power of" between a
> number and its index. And VoiceOver isn't speaking anything at all for
> some reason, although it's apparently supposed to work with "simple"
> math expressions.
>
> Is there a newer and/or more robust way to express math that works
> well with more access technologies than MathML seems to?
>
> As always, I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this. Accessibility
> is becoming a higher priority in the company I work for, and I want us
> to get it right first time wherever possible.
>
> Cheers, Isabel
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