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Re: Table with hidden first column

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From: Isabel Holdsworth
Date: Oct 29, 2018 10:01AM

I would not hide the row number from screenreaders. Depending on how
the table is navigated using a keyboard, it's unlikely to get in the
way of screenreader users, and as Jared pointed out, leaving it there
offers an equivalent experience.

On 29/10/2018, R.U. Steinberg < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Don, imagine this is a table with hundreds of rows, like a list of names or
> accounts. The row number would obviously be a good visual queue. I was just
> thinking if a screen reader was already telling users what row they're on,
> would I need a column dedicated to just the row number?
>
> If I was navigating an Excel spreadsheet, I'd know through screen reader I
> if I was in the A column, that's the first column. Visually you can see the
> row numbers. As I down arrow in column A, screen readers will tell you what
> cell you're in, but do they announce that cell A100 is row 100?
>
> Just trying to see if I can replicate that sort of user experience for an
> HTML table.
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Are you wanting to use that hidden column as your row header? I can tell
>> that using a row number as a row header would drive screen reader users,
>> crazy. Developers here tried that and I got so many complaints that I'm
>> having UIX teams rethink that. The other question I have is what does the
>> visual user see?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Isabel Holdsworth < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:43 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Table with hidden first column
>>
>> Would role="presentation" work?
>>
>> Just out of interest, could it cause confusion if you hide some visual
>> information from screenreaders if, for example, a screenreader user is
>> collaborating with someone who can see the screen?
>>
>> On 29/10/2018, R.U. Steinberg < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> > I have a table where visually I want to display a first column with
>> > row numbers. At the same time, I want to hide that column from screen
>> readers.
>> > I don't even want screen readers to announce it in its count of the
>> > number of columns. Is there a method that will work for JAWS, NVDA, and
>> VoiceOver?
>> >
>> > JAWS likes aria-hidden="true" but not other screen readers.
>> >
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