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From: Steve Green
Date: Jan 2, 2019 9:53PM

I have just tried it with Chrome on a few websites and whilst it is useful, you can't always take the results at face value. For instance, one website contained a div element that contained two others that had aria-label attributes. No matter where I hovered the mouse, the Visual ARIA tooltip showed the accessible name as being the concatenation of the two aria-label attributes. Maybe this is the expected behaviour, but I expected to be able to see the accessible names for each div separately.

Another issue is that the tooltip for the accessible name is often very narrow so the accessible name wraps onto multiple lines and is mostly hidden behind the tooltip for the accessible description. It seems that the tooltip is constrained to the width of the container that the target element is in.

I have also just seen the accessible name wrap without going onto a new line, so it overwrites itself and is almost entirely unreadable. It looks like the text in the tooltips is using some of the styles from the target page, which does not seem to be a good idea.

Also, there are no tooltips when I hover over a native combobox, even if it has an accessible name. Is this expected?

All these issues and more can be seen if you use Visual ARIA on https://www.jackwills.com/sale-and-offers/ladies/sale-hoodies/. The accessibility of the entire website is terrible so it's a good one to use for evaluating accessibility testing tools.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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Radical, Bryan! This is the first I've heard of your tool. Excited to play with it tomorrow.

Greg

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 6:03 PM Bryan Garaventa < <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

> Hi,
> For sighted developers, I strongly recommend everybody use Visual
> ARIA, which is designed to help teach the use of ARIA to people of all
> experience levels during standard usage, education, development, and
> testing with hands on experience.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/visual-aria-now-allows-anyone-sight-see
> -how-works-from-garaventa/
>
> This is also downloadable at
> https://github.com/accdc/visual-aria
>
> Included within the download is an ARIA 101 roadmap document for
> learning ARIA as comprehensively as possible starting with no experience in ARIA.
>
> Best wishes,
> Bryan
>
>
>
> Bryan Garaventa
> Principle Accessibility Architect
> Level Access, Inc.
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> 415.624.2709 (o)
> www.LevelAccess.com
>
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> Happy new year all!
>
> I'm curious what you consider the most important ARIA to learn. Also,
> do you have reccomendations for novices to ARIA to learn effective
> techniques with those most important elements of ARIA?
>
> Personally, I am a novice with ARIA, but I enjoy its benefits everyday
> as a screen reader user. I use multiple screen readers (JAWS, NVDA,
> Voiceover) and would like to be able to teach my community of web
> developers how to best use ARIA.
>
> Where would you suggest I go to learn how to explain ARIA to
> developers who don't benefit from it everyday? Not all of the
> developers in my community experience the benefits and I want to be
> able to explain why it is important to implement it into their web page designs.
>
> Thanks so much,
> David
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