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Re: why is it so hard to read the aria spec

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From: James Nurthen
Date: Oct 30, 2019 2:55PM

Lucy,
The notes are marked as role=note in the Editor's Draft. They were not at
the time ARIA 1.1 was published nor in the current Working Draft of ARIA
1.2. We cannot modify specifications once they are published but the next
working draft of ARIA 1.2 should include this fix.

For footnotes I'd recommend the role=doc-footnote -
https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-footnote - this is what it is
intended for.

Regards,
James

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Lucy GRECO < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> hello:
> sadly i think the answer it self is in the thing i was actually looking
> for. if these were notes and every thing indicates that they were why are
> they them selves not marked up as the vary role i was trying to
> understand.
>
> the problem with your comment about looking back up at the h3 before the
> h4 works only so far.. what if that h3 it self is note witch yes i did find
> that. sadly.
> sadly all this came up because i wanted to find the best way to have a
> text book application creat foot notes. we first thought that complementary
> would work but found it had a bug when beeing implemented in that the
> screenreader did not let the user know when the foot note ended and the
> main content began. so i whent to the screen reader and asked them to fix
> and they said its by design. and suggested note be used in sted. and i
> still don't understand what the perpus of note is. after all this
> conversation. lucy
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
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>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:09 PM Patrick H. Lauke < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > On 29/10/2019 19:45, Lucy GRECO wrote:
> > > hello: i just was sent a link to to a part of the aria spec and i have
> > to
> > > say that was a reely horrendous task to read and i never did find what
> i
> > > needed.
> > > wile looking throu the page i saw at least 4 heddings at h4 that
> said
> > > note and i stoped looking at 5 h5 that also were labled note. for
> crying
> > > out lowd can't we make this stuff better to read
> >
> > I'd say though that the ARIA spec has, by its very nature, a fairly deep
> > and complex structure to begin with, going down to main section headings
> > at h2, h3 and even h4. Notes are then given their own heading, and it
> > then happens to end up with lots of h4s and h5s with that heading text.
> > While in isolation those headings are probably confusing, they do take
> > their context from their parent heading. So if you come across an h4
> > titled "Note" it's worth looking at the preceding h3 to understand the
> > context under which that note lives (lest somebody got the impression
> > that headings need to make sense out of context and in isolation
> > themselves).
> >
> > P
> > --
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