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From: Tim Harshbarger
Date: Nov 4, 2019 11:20AM

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Thanks,
Tim
Tim Harshbarger
Senior Accessibility Consultant
Deque Systems
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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
Mohith BP
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:34 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels

HI JP,

I agree being a screen reader user it is very important to know the level
when it is more than 2 level deep.
Have you tried aria-level?

I have tried it almost 3 to 4 years ago when the support with screen reader
was poor.


Thanks & Regards,
Mohith B. P.


On 11/3/19, JP Jamous < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Birkir,
>
> I like your approach with aria-labelledby. It helps the SR user remain
> oriented.
>
> The reason why this is required is because SR users are complaining
> that they are getting lost, as the nesting goes 2 or 3 levels deep.
> Also, the navigation menus are built dynamically. For example, you
> select certain links that display as check boxes. Once pressing the
> Save button, the code behind organizes them according to business
> requirements. For example,
>
> 1. You check Chicken, cow and lion.
> 2. The business requirement is to organize those according to the
> types of food those animals eat and other categories.
> 3. It creates a main menu called "Animals" and inside of it 2 sub
> menus called "Domestic" and "Wild"
> 4. It then creates "herbivores" under "Domestic" and adds Chicken and
> Cow underneath it as links that point to articles.
> 5. It then puts lion as a link that points to an article under "Wild"
> and creates a submenu for it called "Carnivores'"
>
> There are many business requirements for categorizing links that point
> to articles. Those depend on the content selected. Users also have the
> ability to delete those articles once they are done studying about them.
>
> This menu structure works great for most users, but disorients SR
> users, that have filed complaints in the past. So we wanted to keep
> them as oriented as possible like other users.
>
> I think providing the aria-labelledby to read the parent menu of the
> current submenu is great. I did not even think of that one. We decided
> to go with role="navigation" or use a <nav> to house the <ul> inside
> of it. This allows screen readers to announce the start and end of the
> menu label.
>
> The only thing I am not aware of is the use of aria-level. I thought
> it is only implemented with treeviews and not dropdown menus. Do you
> know how it can be coded to provide levels for sub menus?
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
> Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 10:07 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>
> I find this whole setup kind of weird. Why does the user care how many
> levels deep he/she is, as opposed to what menu are they in?
> If you have submenus of appetizers and desserts, second level menus of
> meat, seafood and cheese for the appetizers and then individual
> appetizers, wouldn't it be more useful to know that the moldy medley
> is a submenu of cheeses, as opposed to the third level menu?
> You could strip away all the ARIA semantics and just use list markup
> with aria-level to indicate nesting (though if you do the nesting
> properly you should get the proper level announcements), you can add
> aria-label or aria-labelledby to <ul> elements, they are announced by
> most screen readers.
> You can go super aria and use aria-labelledby with the mneu roles and
> aria-label to refer to self, e.g.
> ...
> <li role="menuitem" id="l2m">Meat</li>
>
> <ul role="menu" aria-label="level 3" id="l3" aria-labelledby="l2m l3">
>
> but does the user really care how many levels deep he/she is?
>
>
>
>
> On 11/1/19, <EMAIL REMOVED> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Would the aria-label be the correct tag why not aria-description?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf
>> Of <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2019 1:44 AM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>>
>> Correction: if updating the aria-label to role=menu, you would want
>> to add the text "Level [#]" at the end of any value currently in the
>> aria-label for the menu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 10:41 AM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>>
>> Adding that exact aria-label would not be recommended as it wouldn't
>> announced the visible text for the menuitem since you are overriding it.
>> You could add an aria-label to the element with role=menu, but I'm
>> not sure if that will announce what you want so you would need to
>> code it up and test with multiple AT/browsers.
>>
>> Joe Humbert
>> Accessibility Champion
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf
>> Of JP Jamous
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 10:34 AM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>>
>> Close but not really. I keep digging up menus like that that do not
>> announce their levels.
>>
>> The dynamic menu that I am facing expands as the user adds more items
>> to it.
>> They can create a sub menu 3 levels deep. It is important to have
>> screen readers announce that to keep SR users oriented.
>>
>> I am thinking of using role="menuitem" and aria-label="Level 1" on
>> each container.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf
>> Of Xavi Blanch
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 8:38 AM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>>
>> Hi,
>> See this example.
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/m
>> e
>> nubar-
>> 1.html#
>>
>> I have implemented it and is a good example.
>>
>> Xavi Blanch
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] En
>> nombre de JP Jamous Enviado el: martes, 29 de octubre de 2019 14:28
>> Para: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Asunto: [WebAIM] Announcing sub menu levels
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to find a good ARIA article that explains how to
>> implement sub menus with levels. For example, I have a Menu button
>> that expands under it there can be a sub menu button and inside that
>> sub menu button there would be links. I want screen readers to announce:
>>
>>
>>
>> "File Menu"
>>
>> "new Sub Menu Level 1"
>>
>> "Text File Menu Item"
>>
>> "Folder Menu Item"
>>
>> "Send to sub menu Level 1"
>>
>> "7Zip sub menu Level 2"
>>
>> "Extract file Menu Item"
>>
>> "Extract Here Menu Item"
>>
>> "Desktop Menu Item Level 1"
>>
>> "mail Sub menu"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot find an article that would allow me to include the sub menu
> level.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> JP Jamous
>>
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>>
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