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From: Swift, Daniel P.
Date: Jan 14, 2020 12:44PM

Awesome - thanks for the feedback, Birkir!

Dan Swift
Senior Web Specialist
University Communications and Marketing
West Chester University
610.738.0589

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Landmarks

For these particular landmarks I don't see the risk, in fact it may be good to reinforce the HTML5 elements with the appropriate ARIA landmark attribute.


On 1/14/20, Swift, Daniel P. < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> I'm a little late getting into landmarks. I have a follow-up question
> to this thread. Is it redundant and unnecessary to include both the
> landmark and the HTML5 element? For example, is there any harm (from
> a SR perspective or otherwise) of using <header role="banner"> or
> <main role="main"> for instance? In my reading, it seems like
> redundancy is okay, but I know that from past experience, having the
> SR repeat the same things multiple times is obviously a bad thing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Swift
> Senior Web Specialist
> University Communications and Marketing West Chester University
> 610.738.0589
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:23 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Landmarks
>
> You could pin it un 1.3.1 or 4.1.1 (ARIA is not being used according
> to spec, so it feels like 4.1.1 is a valid argument).
> I push for people using the big 3 correctly, header/main/footer
> (banner/main/contentinfo) but usually stop there, because in my
> usability testing I didn't see anyone use landmarks and too many
> landmarks on a page quickly render them pretty useless.
> Your plague of banner landmarks is probably caused by use of the
> <header> element (it maps to the banner role if it is a child of the
> <body> element and should only be used in connection with <article> or
> <section> elements if not used for the webpage header).
> Jaws is overly generous when it comes to mapping the <header> element
> to a banner landmark.
>
>
> On 5/2/19, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> My view is that it is a violation of 1.3.1 if landmarks are not used
>> or are used incorrectly. In most cases I would expect all page
>> content to be in at least one landmark - there may be exceptions
>> where that is not appropriate but I can't think of any.
>>
>> Steve Green
>> Managing Director
>> Test Partners Ltd
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf
>> Of Isabel Holdsworth
>> Sent: 02 May 2019 10:23
>> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Landmarks
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm currently auditing a web application that uses ARIA landmarks in
>> a very random fashion.
>>
>> I've discovered that using landmarks within a dialog causes JAWS 2018
>> to say nothing but "dialog" when trying to interact with elements
>> using the virtual cursor and sometimes the Tab key. So I'll recommend
>> they stop doing this.
>>
>> On some pages they have a <div role="main"> wrapper around unique
>> page content, but they're not using header or footer roles. Is it OK
>> to have some content wrapped in landmarks and the rest not? I know
>> that ideally if landmarks are to be used at all they should be
>> applied to the whole page, but would not doing so constitute a WCAG 2.0 violation?
>>
>> I've found a few banner landmarks inside main landmarks - do you
>> think this would be a fail? If so under which guideline? 1.3.1 perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks as always, Isabel
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>> >>
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