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From: Dhananjay Bhole
Date: Apr 27, 2020 4:15AM

Hi,

Yes I agree with Birkir that the developers should have any
certification in the area of accessibility. But that is ideal
condition which can be very challenging for large number of
developers.
Organization can ask their developers for going through short online
training materials like Webaim articles or Deque university web 2.0
courses Which are quite easy and doable for any developers. Those who
wish to excel in accessible development can go for WAS Certification.

We conduct short hands-on training to our web developers to make them
aware about basics of accessible scripting and that suffice as they
are accompanied with End users accessibility testers in their team who
have good knowledge of accessibility and partial knowledge of coding.

I believe that colleges and universities should introduce contextual
topics on accessible application development in their regular degree
programs that will solve these challenges on large extend.

Best
On 4/26/20, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> I've seen all kinds, but a great developer that has not studied
> accessibility is not going to automatically start coding super
> accessible content, but they can learn to do so, very much.
>
> Developers that want to be truly accessibility aware can start with
> the EDX Intro to accessibility course, decent background and basics.
>
> Ultimately they need to be WAS (Web Accessibility Specialist) certified.
> See the IAAP website http://accessibilityassociation.org (under
> "certifications").
> It costs $500 and you will have to sacrifice 40 to 80 hours of
> studying, probably participate in development of a few projects with
> an accessibility expert and you often have to try twice, but in my
> experience of having worked with a large team of good developers, most
> of which were new to accessibility initially, those who took the
> certification started delivering some seriously good quality code and
> asking some seriously relevant questions.
> I have gotten around a dozen developers certified, about half needed
> two tries, and the difference in understanding was incredible (and,
> no, I am not IAAP affiliated so it's not a promotion for that
> organization at all).
> Developers can't be expected to understand designing for non-sighted
> users, even if they know what a screen reader is, any more than I, a a
> blind person, am expected to draw or design a cool looking logo.
> It's a different mind set and skill, it's a hot skill so worth
> investing in, but we have to understand each other that efforts are
> required, to bring accessibility to developers and development to
> accessibility.
> We've all been frustrated, on both sides of the fence, and we all got
> to vent from time to time.
> Cheers
> -B
>
> On 4/26/20, Colleen Gratzer < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Agreed, Sean. That's exactly why I created an online course for this.
>>
>> Bookwise, I have found Inclusive Design Patterns by Smashing Magazine's
>> Heydon Pickering to be very helpful.
>>
>>
>> Colleen Gratzer
>> Certified Branding Expert + Accessibility Specialist, Gratzer Graphics LLC
>> https://gratzergraphics.com
>> Design Mentor and Host of the Design Domination podcast
>> http://creative-boost.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/26/20 6:45 PM, Murphy, Sean wrote:
>>> A gap in this area for accessibility is books and videos which train
>>> people in development and design do not cover accessibility fully. I've
>>> read too many books that don't discuss it or it's only likely touched
>>> upon
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>> >>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > on behalf of
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>>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 7:35:30 AM
>>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] how do I find a developer who knows accessibility
>>>
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>>>
>>> Supporting Steve and his original request. Although there was a bit of
>>> snark
>>> in his original post, we've found the same with web developers knowledge
>>> of
>>> accessibility.
>>>
>>> There ARE developers who know it well, but they are few and usually
>>> booked
>>> to the hilt.
>>>
>>> I'd love to find one or more who we can use for our own website and
>>> recommend to our clients.
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
>>> Steve
>>> Green
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 3:44 PM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] how do I find a developer who knows accessibility
>>>
>>> Larry, I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way. In nearly 20
>>> years
>>> of testing and countless hundreds of projects, we have only seen a
>>> handful
>>> of pages that were fully WCAG AA conformant, and even the smallest and
>>> simplest websites contained non-conformances. Many of those developers
>>> would
>>> say they know accessibility, but for some reason that knowledge has never
>>> resulted in a conformant website. The next time your group is looking for
>>> a
>>> testing company we would be happy to do a couple of days' testing free of
>>> charge.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
>>> Larry
>>> C. Lyons
>>> Sent: 26 April 2020 20:17
>>> To: Webaim Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] how do I find a developer who knows accessibility
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Your remark was uncalled for, and an insult to us developers who do
>>> happen
>>> know accessibility. The next time our group is looking for a testing
>>> company, I am sure I'll take your snippy and insulting comment into
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 14:04, < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Bcc:
>>>> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:10:11 +0000
>>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] how do I find a developer who knows
>>>> accessibility Even if you believe in a multiverse where every possible
>>>> outcome occurs in a universe somewhere, I'm still not sure you'll find
>>>> a developer who understands accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Green
>>>> Managing Director
>>>> Test Partners Ltd
>>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > >


--
Dhananjay Bhole,
Accessibility evangelist,
Cell: +919850123212
Website: http://www.sites.google.com/site/dhananjaybhole