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Re: Cross Screen Reader testing


From: Murphy, Sean
Date: May 16, 2020 9:20PM

Hi Weston,

Freedom Scientific provides network licences. If you are performing a virtual environment which it sounds like you are doing. This could be an option. How are you going to handle Mac? If you are not using Apple hardware, I believe there is possible licencing issues here? Also how are you going to handle VoiceOver via remote desktop? As you will require an audio channel and I don't know if VoiceOver will work correctly in this type of environment. As NVDA requires a remote server and Jaws require the software to be installed on the remote machine. To get full functionality out of Jaws you require a Remote Desktop licence. It is possible to run Jaws via the audio channel. But the audio is very substandard plus the performance is very laggy. I have used Jaws in both approaches.

I will have to read your accessibility statement.


Sean Murphy | Accessibility expert/lead
Digital Accessibility manager
Telstra Digital Channels | Digital Systems
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Great question, right now only ILM activation keys work. I hope to get more methods supported down the road.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:00 PM Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >

> Hi Weston,
> Thanks for the information. Will the product work with all the
> different types of JAWS licensing? For instance, there's Perpetual
> (ILM) Licensing, which is different from Annual licensing. Some
> organisations set up their own licensing servers, whereas we use dongle licenses.
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
> Weston Thayer
> Sent: 16 May 2020 19:56
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Cross Screen Reader testing
> Hi everyone, Weston here. I've been enjoying the conversations on this
> list for a while now, but haven't piped up. First, thank you for this
> resource, and second, now is probably as good a time as any to
> introduce myself.
> I'm a designer/developer, and I've been working on Assistiv Labs for
> just over a year now, both to try and help solve pain points I've
> heard from others about testing with assistive technologies, and some
> of my own. More early access invitations are slowly going out, my
> timeline was unfortunately set back quite a bit by current events this spring.
> The project has evolved quite a bit since I first put up the website,
> so I'll try to give a brief update here.
> To your point Steve, I totally agree with your concerns about enabling
> inexperienced testers to do harm. Right now, I think the tool is best
> paired to accessibility professionals who are already trained in AT
> usage, and are testing on their own physical or virtual machines
> today. Assistiv Labs offers a few advantages, like repeatable, 100%
> isolated testing environments, keyboard shortcut remapping, and access
> to past, present, and future AT/browser versions. The latter is a
> feature I just got working, for example you can quickly jump between
> Firefox 76.0, 77.0 (beta), or all the way back to 62.0. Similarly, it
> supports NVDA 2020.1 through 2018.1. I find this especially handy for
> narrowing down exactly what version an AT or browser bug cropped up.
> The website is due for an update and the copy will be changed to reflect this focus.
> For JAWS usage, you'll need to bring your own license (which must have
> Remote Desktop/Citrix® Support included). 40 minute mode will not
> work. I care very much about complying with each ATs license, and am
> open to feedback and ideas on how to make it even easier (for both
> vendors and end users).
> Overall, I'm really focused on delivering a pleasant, low-latency
> remote testing experience that's as accessible as possible (i.e. test
> NVDA while using VoiceOver). There are a few limitations (read more in
> the Accessibility Statement <https://assistivlabs.com/accessibility>),
> but I'm hoping to overcome them in time.
> Nice to meet you all, and please feel free to ask more questions here
> or email <EMAIL REMOVED> . I hope with your feedback, Assistiv
> Labs can be a useful tool someday.
> Best,
> Weston
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:42 AM glen walker < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Since the website has minimal info, I did about 30 seconds of
> > digging and the contact us page has <EMAIL REMOVED> as a
> > contact person and if you google that email, you can find info on
> > Weston Thayer, a designer. I'm sure you can contact him for more info.
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/weston-thayer-08aa5992/
> > https://twitter.com/westonthayer5?lang=en
> > http://westonthayer.com/
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