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Re: HTML specs - can I whine for a minute?

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Date: Aug 20, 2021 2:37AM


I agree, the loss of that information from the HTML specification is a
step backwards. I raised it as an issue at the time [1].

The reason it hasn't happened is that the source data lives in two W3C
specifications, the HTML Accessibility API Mappings (AAM) and the ARIA
in HTML conformance rules, and there is reluctance to pull in content
from those specifications directly into the HTML standard.

Looking back through the issue thread, it seems there was quite a bit of
support for having the information there, so perhaps it's a conversation
worth having again some time.



Léonie.
[1] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3282


On 19/08/2021 19:21, glen walker wrote:
> I used to use https://www.w3.org/TR/html53/ when I'd quote about html
> specs. I know that version was being phased out and how that page
> automatically redirects to https://html.spec.whatwg.org/
>
> One of the nice things about the previous version of the spec was that it
> had accessibility information combined with all the other information.
> There were two sections called "Allowed ARIA role attribute values" and
> "Allowed ARIA state and property attributes". Those two sections have been
> removed from the whatwg spec. Does anyone know if that's intentional or
> will they be brought back?
>
> The new spec has an "Accessibility considerations" link but it points to a
> generic definition that makes you follow a link to "ARIAHTML" (
> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#refsARIAHTML), which is another generic
> section that points to "ARIA in HTML" (https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/),
> which finally has some information in it, but you then have to search for
> the right html element. It's a lot of hunting for information that used to
> be all concise and grouped together.
>
> For example, the <button> element, here's a link to the archived old spec:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20210606185950/http://www.w3.org/TR/html53/sec-forms.html#the-button-element
>
> It's easy to see the default role is "button" and the other roles that are
> applicable.
>
> The new spec is
>
> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-button-element
>
> If you follow the accessibility links to the "ARIA in HTML" (
> https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/), you still have to search for the button
> info on that page. It'd be nice if the whatwg doc pointed directly to
> https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/#el-button for the accessibility info.
> It'd be even better if that info was all contained in one place for the
> button spec.
> > > > >

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