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From: jp Jamous
Date: Apr 22, 2022 9:19AM


Mark,

You are correct about this. However, I did not want to complicate things. I wanted to keep them simple.

On another note, it is best to have the same approach with inclusive design rather than using 2 different approaches. While this may not always be possible, it is best to lean toward inclusivity so the user experience is the same. This can be quite beneficial for UX Designers when applying accessibility to their designs. They typically don’t like to have 2 separate ways of doing things.

I try to keep my responses simple. It is easy to get into a rabbit hole with WCAG. Different cases require different approaches. 😊



From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Mark Magennis
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXTERNAL] Re: When to use WCAG 2.4.3and WCAG 2.1.1

JP, I think your explanation of 2.1.1 is a little misleading. You say "every HTML element that can be operated by a user is responsive to keyboard functionality" but it's about functions, not elements
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JP, I think your explanation of 2.1.1 is a little misleading. You say "every HTML element that can be operated by a user is responsive to keyboard functionality" but it's about functions, not elements. So for example you could have an element that is clickable using a mouse but not accessible using the keyboard and that would be okay as long as you can carry out the function that it does using the keyboard by some other means.



Regards,

Mark



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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >> On Behalf Of jp Jamous

Sent: 22 April 2022 15:33

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WebAIM] When to use WCAG 2.4.3and WCAG 2.1.1



Reinhard,



I don't know of a reference that would give you such comparison. I can help you explain it, but you are not allowed to plagiarize. *Smiles*



I am going to keep my explanation simple and to the point, without covering the technical aspect of it.

2.1.1 focuses on ensuring that every HTML element that can be operated by a user is responsive to keyboard functionality. In other words, if it can be operated via the mouse, it must be fully operable via the keyboard. It's that simple.

2.4.3 focuses on the order of navigation from one focusable element to another. This ensures that visually and programmatically the navigation is logical and meaningful, as the designer intended it to be. If 2.4.3 fails, it would automatically fail 2.4.7 from a visual perspective, because the visual outline would be visually jumping all over the page or its various sections. On the other hand, failure of 2.4.3 can automatically fail 1.3.2 - (Meaningful Sequence), because screen reader users may not be able to make sense of how a "billing" link was included amongst the "various Support" links in a dropdown menu.



In summation, 2.1.1 is to ensure keyboard users can operate the elements that are operable by mouse users. Whereas 2.4.8 ensures that the keyboard user is not disoriented both visually, using visible focus indicator, or programmatically, using a screen reader.





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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 7:54 PM

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Subject: [WebAIM] When to use WCAG 2.4.3and WCAG 2.1.1



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I am looking for good resources that will have good explanations of when to use WCAG 2.4.3 and WCAG 2.1.1. I have been given a task by my team lead to write a comparison and contrast of these two guidelines.