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From: mzwack
Date: Jul 30, 2004 4:28PM


*I'm implementing a lot of accessible PDFs


*With version 6 there has been increased ease for applying tags


*The only PDFs we are avoiding making accessible are PDFs with lots of
tables, because HTML will read tables better (when the LIFT program in
Macromedia Dreamweaver is used on the tables)


*PDFs developed in Office 2000/XP (word, excel, powerpoint) are particularly
easy to convert to accessible PDF format using the PDFMaker macro (you can
even add the ALT tags right in Word, Excel, Powerpoint that convert right
over to accessible PDF format)


*For programs, coming from other programs, that is where you would use the
make accessible action in Acrobat, then fix and adjust the tags as necessary


*You can change the reading order of the document (from the Acrobat 6 Pro
toolbar) select Edit > Preferences > Reading then adjust the reading order -
this can be helpful in cases like you mention, however I have not tested
this out a lot because the Acrobat Read Out Loud method is not the only type
of screen reader, there is also Jaws, etc.


Let me know if you'd like and I can expand on this as necessary


Melanie




-----Original Message-----
From: jeb [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:42 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF vs. HTML




Some time has gone by since this question was asked (and responded to), but
I have another question dealing with the same issue.


Today I discovered - quite by accident - that Adobe Acrobat Reader (v6.0.2)
with its various plug-ins - has a built-in text reader (see: View> Read Out
Loud). I've tested some PDFs that I had located on my hard drive and found
that it "read" all of them with mixed results. The "Read Out Loud" feature
was able to read everything on the page, but not always in the order it was
intended. It also was not able to read graphic images that contain text
(similar to HTML when someone does not add the ALT attribute). Lastly, it
seemed to have a hard time understanding that the period at the end of the
sentence means that you're supposed to "stop" - lots of run-on sentences.


So, my new question is, will the "Read Out Loud" work with ALL PDFs or only
ones that have been previously been "made accessible."


BTW, There is also a plug-in for the Acrobat Reader that is called "Make
Accessible" - but I have not figured out how this works. Anyone know?


My reason for asking these questions is that I historically have strongly
advised clients against the use of PDFs because of the accessibility issue.
Yet, there appears to be an increasing number of PDFs showing up. If the
newest Reader is able to in fact "read" these files, then I guess I have to
stop discouraging their use.


Any comments welcome.


John E. Brandt
Augusta, Maine USA

<EMAIL REMOVED>
www.jebswebs.com




-----Original Message-----
From: julian.rickards [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:58 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF vs. HTML



> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeb [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>
> Is there a way of telling if a PDF has been made accessible by mere
> review?
> In other words...how can you tell, by simply looking at the file in
> the standard Acrobat reader if someone has made the effort of making
> that PDF accessible?


The Document Properties will tell you what PDF version the PDF is in and
whether or not it is a tagged PDF but without running the PDF through the
Accessbility Checker (at the very least), there is no other way to tell if a
PDF is accessible or not. To do this, you would need to save the downloaded
PDF, then open it in Acrobat 5 or later (not the Reader) and test it for
accessibility.


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