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From: John Hamman
Date: Aug 5, 2004 9:59AM

Lift program is ok. I prefer using watchfires products like
http://www.watchfire.com/products/desktop/webqa/default.aspx (webQA) or
(bobby) for testing. It's more in-depth.

Lifts regular products that check for accessibility issues are not bad, not
great either, don't waist your money on the Nielson/Norman group version.
Plus using it with Dreamweaver is slow, because Dreamweaver is slow when it
comes to sites with over 200 pages.

What I meant in my little LIFT STINKS was really for LIFT Text Transcoder,
which I think has way to many flaws and leaves out the control of how you
want to deliver. Plus its slow. http://www.psu.edu/studentaid/ take a look
for yourself. Imagine if you have a cognitive disability or are deaf, how
does the text only help you? It only solves (if it even does that) a few
disabilities that our society thinks is the majority. We tend to throw up
text-only sites thinking only of the blind but it doesn't help majority of
the disabled. Think of Color blindness. They should not have to go to a
text-only site to be able to view the site, Or a low vision, or arthritis.
If you take away from their experience when you could of addressed those
disabilities without doing a "Text-Only" then you are discriminating against

them. Text only should be an ADD-ON to your already accessible site.
Ok I'm off my soap box.
john



-----Original Message-----
From: mandy.eppley [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:25 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: Logsdon, Phillip
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LIFT Transcoder being pimped


Good morning John,
Our department web developer is considering purchasing the LIFT program.
Could you possibly give us any specifics about the poor
features/functionalities of the program?

-----Original Message-----
From: john [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:45 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LIFT Transcoder being pimped


What we do is, create a site that has text only versioning but also the
site
is accessible without the text-only. XML and XSL are great for this.
John
LIFT STINKS

-----Original Message-----
From: Jared Smith [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:38 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] LIFT Transcoder being pimped


On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, tim.beadle wrote:

> No, in an ideal world web sites would be coded correctly and all
markup,
> presentation and behaviour layers kept separate, leading to sites that
> serve all users regardless of ability, platform or browser.

In my mind, the real danger of such approaches to accessibility is
that people begin to believe that a text-only version of their site
somehow means that they are accessible. Or even worse, that the
text-only site can be an alternative to an otherwise inaccessible main
site. I know this is not the approach that LIFT takes, but it is the
mentality of many who are purchasing it. Besides, I don't believe it
possible to automatically create an accessible text site from content
that does not have accessibility features implemented in the first
place (garbage in, garbage out).

For those who choose to or are compelled to comply with Section 508,
it's important to note that Section 508 says that a text-only site can
only be used as an alternative when the main site itself cannot, in
any other way be made accessible - and I've seen very few that cannot.
The implementation of a text-only site can be an important piece of an
accessible site, but developers should understand that it only serves
a VERY limited audience and that its no excuse for an inaccessible
main site. And those who take the steps to make their main site
accessible typically find a text-only version unnecessary.

Jared Smith
WebAIM (Web Accessibility In Mind)
Center for Persons with Disabilities
Utah State University

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