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From: Victoria Hamill
Date: Aug 31, 2004 5:59AM






The situation is that there are 4 levels in the hierarchy, and they wanted
at least one drop down.

My menu code uses javascript to generate the whole thing, with the effect
that if javascript is turned off it loads nothing, hence the need for a
duplicate menu in noscript tags as back-up.
It hadn't occurred to me to load it as a list, and then just add some
javascript and CSS to act on it afterwards to control the appearance of it.
As you say, this would have the effect that by default it is still
generating the links, which is still perfectly accessible. This is an
option I might explore some more, so thanks for the pointer. I won't need
one built for me though, but thanks for the offer of assistance :-)

I'm a bit disappointed in the 5% rate cited by Sandy, I had a real feeling
it was much higher than that! I have plenty of other arguments against the
text-only version though, particularly now I have some more ideas on how to
create the menu to play with :-)

Victoria
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Some more information might help.

How many levels should your navigation have? Recommended is one popup
level tops, as otherwise it'll be a mouse-pointer nightmare.

I could do a version for you if needed. Generally I pray that anybody
using or offering DHTML menus to clients should very well know how to do
them and what their drawbacks are. document.write browsersniffing scripts
must die quickly and get burried deep in the woods.


> Thanks to both of you for these pointers.
> The only way I've ever managed to get a collapsible menu to work is
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> javascript, and the code I use is a massive javascript file that is
> required even in order to load up the menu items. I have used
> tags to enclose a tabular menu in the past, but I'm not doing that
anymore
> as it simply loads 2 massive menus instead of one!
> I'll take a look at these examples to see if there is anything I can
glean
> from them to build a better menu, which may help whether I can convince
> our
> client to do without the text-based site or not!
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>> Hi Victoria,
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>> I don't have any numbers but one solution you can suggest is to include
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>> option to switch JavaScript menus on and off. An example can be found at
>> http://www.darlington.gov.uk/Generic/Profiles/Visitors.htm. That way the
>> client gets what they want and the user gets to the content!
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>> Thanks, Henny
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