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Date: Oct 31, 2004 6:04AM


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WebAIM Discussion List Digest 31.10.2004.
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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Web accessibility and usability
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:47:47 -0600

Andrew,

While reviewing www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/benefits.html that you suggested, I
came across a very helpful table that summarizes checkpoints that
contribute to different design categories including: usability, public
search engine, low bandwidth, support low literacy, and semantic web.

Checkpoint 1.1 Provide text equivalent for non-text element was listed
as contributing to usability, and other categories including public
search engine and low bandwidth.

I can understand how "alt" attributes benefit search engine results and
users with low bandwidth, but I wasn't clear on how it is important for
usability for people without disabilities. Does anyone have opinions on
this?

It is my hope to demonstrate that accessibility efforts also improve the
experience of users without disabilities. I'm planning to do some
usability tests with visually impaired users and then users without
disabilities.

Would anyone anticipate the presence of "alt" as improving the
experience of users without disabilities (in terms of any of the metrics
noted on UsableNet: time, number of errors, success rate, and subjective
rating)?

Thank you very much for any help that you can offer.

Regards,
Annmarie




----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Arch
Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 am
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Web accessibility and usability

> Hi Annmarie,
>
> Don't know of any formal studies (apart from the
> Microsoft/Forrester one),
> but many people have written articles on this topic. E.g.:
> 1.
> www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/web-
> accessibility/web-accessib
> ility-usability.shtml
> 2. www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/benefits.html
> 3. http://www.uiaccess.com/upa2000a.html
> 4. http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/aw02/papers/refereed/arch/index.html
> 5. http://www.frontend.com/accessibility_paper.html#Usability
>
> Andrew
> _________________________________
> Dr Andrew Arch
> Manager Online Accessibility Consulting
> Accessible Information Solutions, NILS
> Ph 613 9864 9222; Fax 613 9864 9210; Mobile 0438 755 565
> http://www.nils.org.au/ | http://www.it-test.com.au/ |
> http://www.ozewai.org/
>
> Member, Education &amp; Outreach Working Group,
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/
>
> National Information &amp; Library Service, Australia
> A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alg230 [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 5:35 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Web accessibility and usability
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am in the early stages of a master's thesis. The topic that I
> would like
> to explore is how (whether) web accessibility promotes usability by
> non-disabled users. In other words, I am interested in making a
> case for
> how accessibility benefits more than the disabled segment of a web
> site'scustomer base.
>
> For the purposes of a literature survey, I was wondering if anyone
> might be
> aware of previous studies that have been completed for this topic.
> In
> addition, all opinions are most welcome and very much appreciated.
> It would
> be helpful to know in advance whether a study on this topic would
> be useful
> to the web accessibility community.
>
> Thank you for your time...
>
> Sincerely,
> Annmarie Gemma
> Master's Candidate in Management &amp; Systems
> New York University
>
> ----
> To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.webaim.org/discussion/
>
>

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re[2]: Web accessibility and usability
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:56:34 -0600

Saturday, October 30, 2004, 7:47:08 PM, alg230 wrote:

> Would anyone anticipate the presence of "alt" as improving the
> experience of users without disabilities (in terms of any of the
> metrics
> noted on UsableNet: time, number of errors, success rate, and
subjective rating)?


Some people browse the web with images switched off to improve
loading speed: I do this when I'm using a cellular connection, and
3G isn't available.

--

Iain

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Web accessibility and usability
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:39:42 -0600

Think cell phones. Think low bandwidth. Think lynx, and other imageless
browsing experiences.

Also, sometimes I see an image and wonder what it is - a simple mouse
over
gives me more information.
Sometimes I get to a site, and they moved their image directory, or
wrote
their JavaScript incorrectly, or have a typo in the code and the image
just
doesn't come thru. With an alt tag we are not left wondering.

Many designers code with Dreamweaver. When you change a folder into a
new
directory in DW it updates the links to images, but not the image calls
in
JavaScript. I often find web pages where the image rollover effect is
broken
and the images don't appear. That would be a prime example of when
having
an alt tag helps the sited user.

Estelle Weyl
http://www.EvoTech.net
415.845.9906
Helping make the web accessible since 1999

-----Original Message-----
From: alg230 [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:47 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Web accessibility and usability



Andrew,

While reviewing www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/benefits.html that you suggested, I
came across a very helpful table that summarizes checkpoints that
contribute
to different design categories including: usability, public search
engine,
low bandwidth, support low literacy, and semantic web.

Checkpoint 1.1 Provide text equivalent for non-text element was listed
as
contributing to usability, and other categories including public search
engine and low bandwidth.

I can understand how "alt" attributes benefit search engine results and
users with low bandwidth, but I wasn't clear on how it is important for
usability for people without disabilities. Does anyone have opinions on
this?

It is my hope to demonstrate that accessibility efforts also improve the
experience of users without disabilities. I'm planning to do some
usability
tests with visually impaired users and then users without disabilities.

Would anyone anticipate the presence of "alt" as improving the
experience of
users without disabilities (in terms of any of the metrics noted on
UsableNet: time, number of errors, success rate, and subjective rating)?

Thank you very much for any help that you can offer.

Regards,
Annmarie




----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Arch
Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 am
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Web accessibility and usability

> Hi Annmarie,
>
> Don't know of any formal studies (apart from the
> Microsoft/Forrester one),
> but many people have written articles on this topic. E.g.:
> 1.
> www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/web-
> accessibility/web-accessib
> ility-usability.shtml
> 2. www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/benefits.html
> 3. http://www.uiaccess.com/upa2000a.html
> 4. http://ausweb.scu.edu.au/aw02/papers/refereed/arch/index.html
> 5. http://www.frontend.com/accessibility_paper.html#Usability
>
> Andrew
> _________________________________
> Dr Andrew Arch
> Manager Online Accessibility Consulting
> Accessible Information Solutions, NILS
> Ph 613 9864 9222; Fax 613 9864 9210; Mobile 0438 755 565
> http://www.nils.org.au/ | http://www.it-test.com.au/ |
> http://www.ozewai.org/
>
> Member, Education &amp; Outreach Working Group,
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/
>
> National Information &amp; Library Service, Australia
> A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alg230 [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 5:35 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Web accessibility and usability
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am in the early stages of a master's thesis. The topic that I
> would like
> to explore is how (whether) web accessibility promotes usability by
> non-disabled users. In other words, I am interested in making a
> case for
> how accessibility benefits more than the disabled segment of a web
> site'scustomer base.
>
> For the purposes of a literature survey, I was wondering if anyone
> might be
> aware of previous studies that have been completed for this topic.
> In
> addition, all opinions are most welcome and very much appreciated.
> It would
> be helpful to know in advance whether a study on this topic would
> be useful
> to the web accessibility community.
>
> Thank you for your time...
>
> Sincerely,
> Annmarie Gemma
> Master's Candidate in Management &amp; Systems
> New York University
>
> ----
> To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.webaim.org/discussion/
>
>

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To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.webaim.org/discussion/

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Web accessibility and usability
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:03:36 -0600

Has it been mentioned that search engines pick up what is in the alt
tag?

Sincerely,

Mike Burks

-----Original Message-----
From: iain [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:54 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Re[2]: Web accessibility and usability



Saturday, October 30, 2004, 7:47:08 PM, alg230 wrote:

> Would anyone anticipate the presence of "alt" as improving the
> experience of users without disabilities (in terms of any of the
> metrics
> noted on UsableNet: time, number of errors, success rate, and
subjective
rating)?


Some people browse the web with images switched off to improve
loading speed: I do this when I'm using a cellular connection, and
3G isn't available.

--

Iain

----
To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.webaim.org/discussion/

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Web accessibility and usability
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:15:43 -0700

Hello Mike,

You wrote:
> Has it been mentioned that search engines pick up what is in the alt
tag?

I really don't know what you are meaning. I don't know the existence of
any alt tag. When you mean the alt-attribute or alt text, than this may
be interesting.

Greetings
ineke van der Maat

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Accessibility evaluation practices - online survey
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:58:35 -0700

[Apologies for cross-posting]

I'm interested in learning more about the ways in which accessibility
practitioners (of all shapes and sizes) approach web accessibility
evaluation.

To this end I've set up an online survey that I hope those of you
working in this area will take the time to complete. I will summarise
the results and make them available to the list.

Cheers,
Dey

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
Subject: Accessibility evaluation practices - online survey
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:03:41 -0700

And now I will engage my brain and include the URL to the survey:

http://deyalexander.com/survey.html

Cheers,
Dey