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From: James Pickering
Date: Aug 9, 2005 11:09AM

Hello Jan,

Thanks for the input and the valuable information you provide. I don't have
JAWS available, but I always have my DeafBlind friend, James Gallagher
<http://www.deafblind.com>; check my pages for unsighted usage sufficiency. I
know that this is only one of several accessibility checks to be run, but I
do find his assessments very valuable.

Here is his critique of my Home Page:

[..... personal material deleted .....]

James I think of you as a friend so I am very pleased that you e-mailed me.
I am always very happy and keen to help you any way I can. You take the
time to try and make your site accessible and also help other sighted
hearing people to
do this same.

[..... personal material deleted .....]

Right down to your web site....
well I have been nice web site using Internet Explorer 5.5 and I have to say
also with Opera 8.2 this is a great tool to use for me now.. A very good
Browser James. Both Browsers with my software to drive my Braille display
worked great with your site. I had no thought for one moment that your site
would bring up a problem for me you put too much hard work into them
for that. I went through your site and found really nothing I could get
you ON!

>Would you please check out my new Home page -- link is in my signature
>block below -- and let me know what you think of it's function and
>accessibility for you?

10+ out of 10. can't find anything to get you ON.....

[..... personal material deleted .....]

Now I know that James is being very kind with his comments out of
friendship, Jan, so I will ask him to re-visit my page with a more critical
eye. I strive to make my pages optimally accessible -- I will keep on
trying. BTW, Jan, I also run my pages by a gentleman named Cody Namesnick
who is afflicted with Duchenne Muscular Distrophy (respirator supported) for
an additional accessibility check when possible. I find the critiques these
gentlemen provide are enormously helpful when combined with manual and
automatic accessibility evaluations.

James Pickering
http://www.jp29.org/
Accessible to People with Disabilities
RSS feed via RDF/XML

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Eric Hellbusch" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Unordered Lists


> Hello James,
>
>> An informative and useful reference:
>> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/unordered-lists
>
> Semantically seen, the message is absolutely right.
>
> But, screen readers I know (i.e. JAWS and some German products) treat UL
> as
> soup just as they do DIV. So, if you have an extendd unordered link list
> you
> will get one link after another without semantic information.
>
> Another problem with UL is that it is treated as part of the previous
> block
> element. So, if yoz have a paragraph followed by a UL the only way to get
> to
> the list is by first reading the paragraph (or heading).
>
> There are similar problems with DL.
>
> Not a problem is the use of OL. Even if you hide the list items they will
> be
> accessed by screen readers.
>
> Regs
> Jan
>
> --
> Books on accessible web design:
> www.barrierefreies-webdesign.de/buecher.php
>
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