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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Apr 11, 2006 1:50PM

Kynn,
I agree with you. Why are we hidding labels? the only reason
is that some developers or managers of developers don't want
them on a graphical rendering.

Jon


---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:22:46 -0700
>From: "Kynn Bartlett" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Adding a label to search box
>To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>On 4/11/06, Jon Gunderson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> I am not sure that the CSS hidding technique should be
>> considered an "ugly hack".
>
>It's a use of standard CSS in a way which isn't intended
purely to get
>around a limitation in current user agents. So, it's a hack.
I happen
>to think it's pretty ugly, when it comes down to it.
>
>You're not really wanting to position the element over THERE
(Kynn
>points offscreen) some arbitrary number of negative pixels.
You're
>wanting display to be properly supported with media rules.
You can't
>get that now, so positioning something way off in space seems
to work
>with today's browsers and screenreaders. But it's generally
a bad
>idea to use these kinds of hacks.
>
>> If someone disables CSS to apply
>> like their own high contrast stylesheet it is nice to have
the
>> form controls labeled.
>
>That's beside the point, though. I am not calling the concept
an "ugly
>hack" (although see the next paragraph), but rather the way
that is
>currently being chose to implement it via positioning.
>
>I am still of the opinion that there's no real good reason to
make
>these form labels hidden in the first place. I think that it
is a
>benefit in usability to everyone to have explicit, non-hidden
labels
>which are visible to all users, not just those with
particular
>2006-era screenreaders or who choose to disable style sheets.
>
>--Kynn
>
>--
>Kynn Bartlett < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>Writer, Web Developer, Photographer, Game Designer
>Tucson, Arizona
>http://kynn.com
>
>
>


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