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From: ckrugman
Date: Fri, May 20 2011 11:03PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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the web site needs to be rectified as screen readers willnot be able to
label them by themselves without readable text.
Chuck
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From: "Tania" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 12:48 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


>
>
> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt text.
> They used empty quote marks like this:
>
> alt= ""
>
>
>
> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>
> With the above combination, I found that
>
> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with arrow
> keys.
> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not positioned
> on a graphic."
>
>
> QUESTION:
>
> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
> ?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> tania
>

From: ckrugman
Date: Sat, May 21 2011 10:12PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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When it occurs I usually will contact the company or organization that owns
the site explaining the specific issues that I encountered and when possible
how it might be remedied.
Chuck
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From: "Tania" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


this group has often discussed best practices in making websites accessible
from developer's angle. the other side of accessibility is what users of
assistive tech can do when they encounter such inaccessible sites.
does this very knowledgeable group have any answers to this?

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hicks" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


Please ignore my reply, which was written before I had received the
important info about this!
So, it is part of the Login Procedure... can't get more critical than
that, that is for sure
good day

Le 19/04/2011 09:41, John Hicks a écrit :
> Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
> Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.
>
> Are they just background images and/or decoration?
>
>
> Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>>
>> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt
>> text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>>
>> alt= ""
>>
>>
>>
>> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>>
>> With the above combination, I found that
>>
>> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with
>> arrow keys.
>> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
>> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not
>> positioned on a graphic."
>>
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
>> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> tania
>>

From: Tania
Date: Sun, May 22 2011 9:27PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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our blind group had gone to meet the management to highlight problems. when
they were unresponsive, we had gone to the media about it.
we have a toothless accessibility act ; even many govt websites are
inaccessible. this is the third world- we face ignorance, indifference and
outright discrimination here .


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Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


When it occurs I usually will contact the company or organization that owns
the site explaining the specific issues that I encountered and when possible
how it might be remedied.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tania" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


this group has often discussed best practices in making websites accessible
from developer's angle. the other side of accessibility is what users of
assistive tech can do when they encounter such inaccessible sites.
does this very knowledgeable group have any answers to this?

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hicks" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


Please ignore my reply, which was written before I had received the
important info about this!
So, it is part of the Login Procedure... can't get more critical than
that, that is for sure
good day

Le 19/04/2011 09:41, John Hicks a écrit :
> Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
> Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.
>
> Are they just background images and/or decoration?
>
>
> Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>>
>> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt
>> text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>>
>> alt= ""
>>
>>
>>
>> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>>
>> With the above combination, I found that
>>
>> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with
>> arrow keys.
>> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
>> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not
>> positioned on a graphic."
>>
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
>> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> tania
>>

From: Bevi Chagnon | PubCom
Date: Sun, May 22 2011 10:24PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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Tania wrote:
" this is the third world- we face ignorance, indifference and outright
discrimination here."

Tania, it's ignorance.
I say that as a Section 508 trainer to U.S. Federal government employees.
They don't know how an inaccessible document or website prevents blind and
disabled users from getting the same information as those of us who are
sighted and abled.
They don't know how little effort it takes to make a Word document, for
example, accessible to everyone.
And their managers and bosses don't know any of this either.

"we have a toothless accessibility act;"

In the U.S., hopefully the forthcoming new standards and guidelines will
close the loopholes in the existing law and prevent the excuses I've heard
from webmasters and document specialists.

But I think the greater problem is that governments haven't educated their
managers and employees about the law, and more importantly about how to meet
the standards.

Lawsuits and formal complaints from blind and disabled users will help get
the issue on the front burner.

- Bevi Chagnon

From: ckrugman
Date: Mon, May 23 2011 1:06AM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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Although we have a long way to go in the U.S. we are still further ahead
than many other countries when it comes to legislating accessibilityand we
take some of this for granted. what country are you in?
aChuck
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From: "Tania" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


our blind group had gone to meet the management to highlight problems. when
they were unresponsive, we had gone to the media about it.
we have a toothless accessibility act ; even many govt websites are
inaccessible. this is the third world- we face ignorance, indifference and
outright discrimination here .


----- Original Message -----
From: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


When it occurs I usually will contact the company or organization that owns
the site explaining the specific issues that I encountered and when possible
how it might be remedied.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tania" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


this group has often discussed best practices in making websites accessible
from developer's angle. the other side of accessibility is what users of
assistive tech can do when they encounter such inaccessible sites.
does this very knowledgeable group have any answers to this?

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hicks" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [?? Probable Spam] UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


Please ignore my reply, which was written before I had received the
important info about this!
So, it is part of the Login Procedure... can't get more critical than
that, that is for sure
good day

Le 19/04/2011 09:41, John Hicks a écrit :
> Are you sure that the screen reader needs to know about these graphics?
> Sounds like they are neither functional nor information bearing to me.
>
> Are they just background images and/or decoration?
>
>
> Le 18/04/2011 09:48, Tania a écrit :
>>
>> I came across a website that does not label graphics/photos with alt
>> text. They used empty quote marks like this:
>>
>> alt= ""
>>
>>
>>
>> The graphics were positioned using CSS.
>>
>> With the above combination, I found that
>>
>> 1.. JAWS do not identify the graphics at all when navigating with
>> arrow keys.
>> 2.. Clicking on the graphic with a mouse and invoking the JAWS 'LABEL
>> GRAPHIC function' produced message that said "the cursor is not
>> positioned on a graphic."
>>
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> In such an instance, other than asking the website to rectify codes in
>> their webpage, how else can screenreader users get label for the graphics
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> tania
>>

From: Tania
Date: Mon, May 23 2011 9:24PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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IGNORANCE?

A few years back we approached the body that supervises and regulates
communication and multimedia activities about the numerous inaccessible
websites in the country. They said they were not knowledgeable about
accessibility. We got them to agree to a workshop on accessibility and
invited someone from W3C to conduct workshops. At the last moment, they
pulled out and did not send anyone to the workshops. So my conclusion is:
when the regulating body said it is ignorant, the ignorance is by choice.
Indifference is truer.





After years of campaigning, we got the 'DISABILITY ACT'. When I read it, it
was full of loopholes. Recently at a conference, a lawyer commented the act
lacked enforcement clauses. Our Welfare Minister is a lawyer by training. So
is this weak Act created due to incompetence?



There are local banks that do not allow the blind to own ATM and credit
cards. The blind also are not allowed to do internet banking. We complained
to the Central Bank and the Finance Minister as well as approached our MPs-
all to no avail. Isn't that discrimination?



From: "Bevi Chagnon | PubCom" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>

From: Webb, KerryA
Date: Mon, May 23 2011 9:33PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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>

From: Tania
Date: Mon, May 23 2011 10:00PM
Subject: Re: UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS
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IGNORANCE?

A few years back we approached the body that supervises and regulates
communication and multimedia activities in the country about the numerous
inaccessible websites in the country. They said they were not knowledgeable
about accessibility. We got them to agree to a workshop on accessibility and
invited someone from W3C to conduct workshops. At the last moment, they
pulled out and did not send anyone to the workshops. So my conclusion is:
when the regulating body said it is ignorant, the ignorance is by choice.
Indifference is truer.





After years of campaigning, we got the 'DISABILITY ACT'. When I read it, it
was full of loopholes. Recently at a conference, a lawyer commented the act
lacked enforcement clauses. Our Welfare Minister is a lawyer by training. So
is this weak Act created due to incompetence?



There are local banks that do not allow the blind to own ATM and credit
cards. The blind also are not allowed to do internet banking. We complained
to the Central Bank and the Finance Minister as well as approached our MPs-
all to no avail. Isn't that discrimination?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bevi Chagnon | PubCom" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "'WebAIM Discussion List'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:24 PM
UNLABELLED GRAPHICS/PHOTOS


>
> Tania, it's ignorance.
> I say that as a Section 508 trainer to U.S. Federal government employees.
> They don't know how an inaccessible document or website prevents blind and
> disabled users from getting the same information as those of us who are
> sighted and abled.
> They don't know how little effort it takes to make a Word document, for
> example, accessible to everyone.
> And their managers and bosses don't know any of this either.
>
> "we have a toothless accessibility act;"
>
> In the U.S., hopefully the forthcoming new standards and guidelines will
> close the loopholes in the existing law and prevent the excuses I've heard
> from webmasters and document specialists.
>
> But I think the greater problem is that governments haven't educated their
> managers and employees about the law, and more importantly about how to
> meet
> the standards.
>
> Lawsuits and formal complaints from blind and disabled users will help get
> the issue on the front burner.
>
> - Bevi Chagnon
>