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From: L Snider
Date: Wed, May 06 2015 9:35AM
Subject: Caption Question
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Hi Everyone,

I am captioning a video for a webpage. No problem there, because the player
uses WebVTT and it reads the captions from that file.

However, I now have to put this video on a CD. I haven't worked with video
on CD before. I can't use my lovely player and WebVTT file...However, I can
make the captioning file in another format (I have access to SRT,
SBV,DFXP,SMI, QT, RT, STL, SUB, SMPTE-TT and SCC). How is the best way to
do this without having to do things manually? Is there an automated way of
getting the captions into the video?

I have access to Adobe software, and I think I can do this through Media
Encoder but am working on that now...

If anyone has any suggestions/advice/etc, please let me know!

Thanks so much.

Lisa

From: Sam Cartsos
Date: Wed, May 06 2015 11:20AM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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Hi Lisa,
Assuming you're burning this CD as a data disk, you'll want to place
your media and caption files in the same directory, and ensure that they
have the same filename. You can include more than one caption file to
accommodate different players - SRT and SMI files might be a good
choice. When the user opens the media file in their default or preferred
player, and assuming they've enabled caption/subtitle playback in their
player, the captions will show.

Thanks,
Sam

On 5/6/2015 11:35 AM, L Snider wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am captioning a video for a webpage. No problem there, because the player
> uses WebVTT and it reads the captions from that file.
>
> However, I now have to put this video on a CD. I haven't worked with video
> on CD before. I can't use my lovely player and WebVTT file...However, I can
> make the captioning file in another format (I have access to SRT,
> SBV,DFXP,SMI, QT, RT, STL, SUB, SMPTE-TT and SCC). How is the best way to
> do this without having to do things manually? Is there an automated way of
> getting the captions into the video?
>
> I have access to Adobe software, and I think I can do this through Media
> Encoder but am working on that now...
>
> If anyone has any suggestions/advice/etc, please let me know!
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Lisa
> > > > --
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Co-Founder and Senior Partner @
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From: L Snider
Date: Thu, May 07 2015 1:32PM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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Hi Sam,

Thanks so much, great information. I am now researching players and
captioning, interesting stuff there.

I also found out (for those that have to do this as well) that one can use
the original files and create captions in Adobe Encore and Premiere Pro.
This is useful for 'burning in' the captioning.

Cheers

Lisa

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Sam Cartsos < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Lisa,
> Assuming you're burning this CD as a data disk, you'll want to place your
> media and caption files in the same directory, and ensure that they have
> the same filename. You can include more than one caption file to
> accommodate different players - SRT and SMI files might be a good choice.
> When the user opens the media file in their default or preferred player,
> and assuming they've enabled caption/subtitle playback in their player, the
> captions will show.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
> On 5/6/2015 11:35 AM, L Snider wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am captioning a video for a webpage. No problem there, because the
>> player
>> uses WebVTT and it reads the captions from that file.
>>
>> However, I now have to put this video on a CD. I haven't worked with video
>> on CD before. I can't use my lovely player and WebVTT file...However, I
>> can
>> make the captioning file in another format (I have access to SRT,
>> SBV,DFXP,SMI, QT, RT, STL, SUB, SMPTE-TT and SCC). How is the best way to
>> do this without having to do things manually? Is there an automated way of
>> getting the captions into the video?
>>
>> I have access to Adobe software, and I think I can do this through Media
>> Encoder but am working on that now...
>>
>> If anyone has any suggestions/advice/etc, please let me know!
>>
>> Thanks so much.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>

From: Sam Cartsos
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 9:37AM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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I'm a big fan of open captions. I've never used Adobe's products for
this, but anything that makes the process simpler is worth exploring. In
the past, I've batched images of the text data out of Photoshop into a
Final Cut timeline.

Thanks,
Sam

On 5/7/2015 3:32 PM, L Snider wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> Thanks so much, great information. I am now researching players and
> captioning, interesting stuff there.
>
> I also found out (for those that have to do this as well) that one can
> use the original files and create captions in Adobe Encore and
> Premiere Pro. This is useful for 'burning in' the captioning.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Sam Cartsos < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
>
> Hi Lisa,
> Assuming you're burning this CD as a data disk, you'll want to
> place your media and caption files in the same directory, and
> ensure that they have the same filename. You can include more than
> one caption file to accommodate different players - SRT and SMI
> files might be a good choice. When the user opens the media file
> in their default or preferred player, and assuming they've enabled
> caption/subtitle playback in their player, the captions will show.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
> On 5/6/2015 11:35 AM, L Snider wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am captioning a video for a webpage. No problem there,
> because the player
> uses WebVTT and it reads the captions from that file.
>
> However, I now have to put this video on a CD. I haven't
> worked with video
> on CD before. I can't use my lovely player and WebVTT
> file...However, I can
> make the captioning file in another format (I have access to SRT,
> SBV,DFXP,SMI, QT, RT, STL, SUB, SMPTE-TT and SCC). How is the
> best way to
> do this without having to do things manually? Is there an
> automated way of
> getting the captions into the video?
>
> I have access to Adobe software, and I think I can do this
> through Media
> Encoder but am working on that now...
>
> If anyone has any suggestions/advice/etc, please let me know!
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Lisa
>
>
>

--
*Sam Cartsos*
Co-Founder and Senior Partner @
Frameweld <https://frameweld.com> - Accelerating Innovation
SyncWords <https://syncwords.com> - Caption Automation that Works

Partner Lead for Technology @
IDEA Data Center <https://ideadata.org> - Building Capacity for
High-Quality IDEA Data

mobile: 718.813.1195
office: 718.956.0299
email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
skype: scartsos
twitter: @scartsos <https://twitter.com/scartsos>
==============
*Check Out Our Products*
SyncWords <https://syncwords.com> - Captions Automated
Recapd <https://recapd.com> - Live Captions Delivered
Encourse <https://encour.se> - A Smart Learning Platform
Workshop <https://workshop.frameweld.com> - A Better Way to Present Video

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 10:06AM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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> I'm a big fan of open captions

One challenge with open captions is that users cannot change the visual appearance of the captions -- this can be a challenge for people who have a visual impairment in addition to being deaf or hard of hearing. Also on smaller devices users may need to increase the size of the captions. There is another technique to encapsulate closed captions into the media file -- that way the captions are included in a single file -- although this technique may be more limited though in it's support for different platforms and players.

Jonathan

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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 11:00AM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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To clarify on the point of what Adobe Premiere can do, you certainly could create "burned in" captions in Premiere just as you can with an video editor, but as Jon says there is a lost opportunity there for caption display modification/customization.

Premiere allows authors to import caption files, edit the caption data (which is shown on the video during editing at the editor's preference), and export the captions either as a separate file or (for quicktime) with the data embedded in the video asset. Another Adobe tool (Primetime) will allow you to embed caption data and stream the video files to a variety of devices and it embeds the data correctly for a variety of platform environments and allows the end user to modify the display appearance of the captions in the way that is required by the FCC/CVAA rules.

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/closed-captioning.html

AWK

From: L Snider
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 1:07PM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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Hi Jonathan,

That could be a problem. The smaller device issue is also one I have to
look at as well. I have not seen CC on a device yet. So if I open a CC'ed
video on an iPhone will the default viewer (QT) be able to deal with
captions?

I have been trying the technique you mentioned, with all captions in one
file...I am still testing, but how I deal with the viewers people may use
is still to come.

I don't get it, why are CC videos such a hard thing to deal with in terms
of players in 2015 (in terms of a DVD)?

Cheers

Lisa

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> > I'm a big fan of open captions
>
> One challenge with open captions is that users cannot change the visual
> appearance of the captions -- this can be a challenge for people who have a
> visual impairment in addition to being deaf or hard of hearing. Also on
> smaller devices users may need to increase the size of the captions.
> There is another technique to encapsulate closed captions into the media
> file -- that way the captions are included in a single file -- although
> this technique may be more limited though in it's support for different
> platforms and players.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone 703.637.8957
> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>
>

From: L Snider
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 1:09PM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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Hi Andrew,

Thanks, that information was very useful. I hadn't explored the separate
file versus embedding yet in Premiere. I also now need to play with
Primetime as well, thanks.

So I guess the next question I would ask is what do the majority of people
do in this case? Open Captions? Closed Captions? Would the FCC/CVAA rules
be the ones to go with?

Cheers

Lisa

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> To clarify on the point of what Adobe Premiere can do, you certainly could
> create "burned in" captions in Premiere just as you can with an video
> editor, but as Jon says there is a lost opportunity there for caption
> display modification/customization.
>
> Premiere allows authors to import caption files, edit the caption data
> (which is shown on the video during editing at the editor's preference),
> and export the captions either as a separate file or (for quicktime) with
> the data embedded in the video asset. Another Adobe tool (Primetime) will
> allow you to embed caption data and stream the video files to a variety of
> devices and it embeds the data correctly for a variety of platform
> environments and allows the end user to modify the display appearance of
> the captions in the way that is required by the FCC/CVAA rules.
>
> https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/closed-captioning.html
>
> AWK
>
>

From: Sam Cartsos
Date: Fri, May 08 2015 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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Thanks Jonathan. Yes, those are great points. Allowing users to
customize the size and styling of captions is the best way to go. The
same goes for user preference - let users turn them off if they'd like.
There's other reasons not to use burned-in captions - if you're looking
for an SEO benefit, want your media listed as captioned in YouTube, or
plan to use the data for search, you have to meet compliance
requirements, and so on. For all these reasons, open captions are not a
good overall strategy for captioning your media.

Having said that, the appeal of open captions is that the captions are a
feature of the media. Everybody experiences them as part of the media,
with no action required on the user end, and the creator has control
over the styling. If you consume a lot of captioning, as I do, you
probably have strong opinions and insights into what works well and what
doesn't, and the default experience in many players is quite poor, and
not customizable in many cases. In addition, most users don't have
captions on by default. Explaining how to turn them on in a variety of
players is painful for everyone involved. For Lisa's project - she
doesn't have control over the player, wants people to experience
captions and have it be a positive experience - I think open captions
are a good choice.

Thanks,
Sam

On 5/8/2015 12:06 PM, Jonathan Avila wrote:
>> I'm a big fan of open captions
> One challenge with open captions is that users cannot change the visual appearance of the captions -- this can be a challenge for people who have a visual impairment in addition to being deaf or hard of hearing. Also on smaller devices users may need to increase the size of the captions. There is another technique to encapsulate closed captions into the media file -- that way the captions are included in a single file -- although this technique may be more limited though in it's support for different platforms and players.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone 703.637.8957
> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>
>
>

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Mon, May 11 2015 6:57AM
Subject: Re: Caption Question
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The question that I keep coming back to is "why can't you use your player on the CD?" There shouldn't be a technological reason why not – is there more to the story?
AWK

From: L Snider [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:10 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Caption Question

Hi Andrew,
Thanks, that information was very useful. I hadn't explored the separate file versus embedding yet in Premiere. I also now need to play with Primetime as well, thanks.
So I guess the next question I would ask is what do the majority of people do in this case? Open Captions? Closed Captions? Would the FCC/CVAA rules be the ones to go with?
Cheers
Lisa

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
To clarify on the point of what Adobe Premiere can do, you certainly could create "burned in" captions in Premiere just as you can with an video editor, but as Jon says there is a lost opportunity there for caption display modification/customization.

Premiere allows authors to import caption files, edit the caption data (which is shown on the video during editing at the editor's preference), and export the captions either as a separate file or (for quicktime) with the data embedded in the video asset. Another Adobe tool (Primetime) will allow you to embed caption data and stream the video files to a variety of devices and it embeds the data correctly for a variety of platform environments and allows the end user to modify the display appearance of the captions in the way that is required by the FCC/CVAA rules.

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/closed-captioning.html

AWK