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From: Donna Jones
Date: Mon, Mar 07 2016 2:09PM
Subject: questin
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hi all: i'm reading the accessibility article from web aim, this page,
http://webaim.org/articles/pour/robust . i've copied a piece of a
paragraph below that i just don't understand. can someone(s) clarify,
perhaps give example.
thanks.
donna
<copy>
One of the most noticeable exceptions to this general trend is found in
web sites owned by companies which develop their own browsers. They
think that they can persuade people to use their company's browser if
they create lesser versions of web content for all other brands of
browsers. While this may be an effective marketing technique, it is not
a good accessibility technique.</copy>
--
Donna Jones
94 Park Avenue, #3
Portland, ME 04101
(new address as of summer 2013)
From: Greg Gamble
Date: Mon, Mar 07 2016 2:19PM
Subject: Re: questin
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It would be like Microsoft showing text only web pages for any browser other than Edge ... that's an extreme example.
Greg
From: Donna Jones
Date: Mon, Mar 07 2016 2:31PM
Subject: Re: questin
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thanks Greg. but i still don't understand. i don't think Microsoft has
ever done this and i don't see how they could actually, w/out having the
development community up in arms at which point we would all know about
it. and would it even be possible? does that excerpt mean something else?
best
Donna
On 3/7/2016 4:19 PM, Greg Gamble wrote:
> It would be like Microsoft showing text only web pages for any
> browser other than Edge ... that's an extreme example.
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
From: Kelly Lupo
Date: Mon, Mar 07 2016 2:33PM
Subject: Re: questin
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Is there a particular question with the paragraph?
What it is saying, essentially, is that I (for example) create my
web-browser: KBrowse (I hope that's not a real browser!). I customize my
website to work *really, really,* well within KBrowse, and let people know
that if they want the "full experience on my site," they should download
KBrowse. Up to here, I'm actually okay.
The problem starts when I muddle with what visitors see in any other
browser - that is, I intentionally make my website look bad, in an attempt
to force people to download KBrowse in order to partake of my content.
(This can be done by detecting what browser the visitor is using, and
choosing to display one set of code over another based on what is detected.)
That's not to say that a website can't say "download KBrowse, we do x,y,z
functions integrated with our website!" but that the website should at
least correctly function with other browsers as well. (I can't exactly
tell Microsoft that Internet Explorer needs to implement x,y,z functions,
but I *can* tell the IE browser that hits my site to only ever redirect to
a page saying "Download my browser before I will let you continue," or not
show any pictures, as Greg said.)
Why would a company want this? Having more downloads and users raises a
company's or product's standing and may encourage yet more people to use
it. It's not a valid strategy for a small individual organization, but for
someone like Google, that could be quite persuasive. It forces people to
either find another search engine, or switch browsers, for example.
Kelly
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Donna Jones < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> hi all: i'm reading the accessibility article from web aim, this page,
> http://webaim.org/articles/pour/robust . i've copied a piece of a
> paragraph below that i just don't understand. can someone(s) clarify,
> perhaps give example.
>
> thanks.
> donna
>
> <copy>
> One of the most noticeable exceptions to this general trend is found in
> web sites owned by companies which develop their own browsers. They think
> that they can persuade people to use their company's browser if they create
> lesser versions of web content for all other brands of browsers. While this
> may be an effective marketing technique, it is not a good accessibility
> technique.</copy>
>
> --
> Donna Jones
> 94 Park Avenue, #3
> Portland, ME 04101
> (new address as of summer 2013)
> > > > >
From: Donna Jones
Date: Tue, Mar 08 2016 1:23PM
Subject: Re: questin
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> Is there a particular question with the paragraph?
>
> What it is saying, essentially, is that I (for example) create my
> web-browser: KBrowse (I hope that's not a real browser!). I customize
> my website to work /really, really,/ well within KBrowse, and let people
> know that if they want the "full experience on my site," they should
> download KBrowse. Up to here, I'm actually okay.
>
> The problem starts when I muddle with what visitors see in any other
> browser - that is, I intentionally make my website look bad, in an
> attempt to force people to download KBrowse in order to partake of my
Thanks Kelly and Greg. i understand it better now but the paragraph
does make it sound like there is a current, egregious happening of this
and apparently there isn't, or someone would have talked about it. it
was confusing to me, mainly, for that reason. i'm gonna copy the
paragraph again, just for the reference of it.
from here: http://webaim.org/articles/pour/robust. 2nd paragraph, the
end of paragraph
<copy>
One of the most noticeable exceptions to this general trend is found
in web sites owned by companies which develop their own browsers.
They think that they can persuade people to use their company's
browser if they create lesser versions of web content for all other
brands of browsers. While this may be an effective marketing
technique, it is not a good accessibility technique.</copy>
best
Donna
--
Donna Jones
94 Park Avenue, #3
Portland, ME 04101
(new address as of summer 2013)
207 772 0266
http://westendwebs.com/
The inability to pronounce a chemical ingredient is not an argument
against it.
From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Mar 08 2016 1:48PM
Subject: Re: questin
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There is a related version of this problem for websites using server
side accessibility solutions such as Sitecues or server side
text-to-speech solutions.
There is nothing wrong with these products, or using them as
components of making your website accessible; even remarkable for
people with disabilities.
But when people think that implementing and testing with these
solutions alone substitutes accessibility testing, that is bad for
accessibility.
Cheers
-B
On 3/8/16, Donna Jones < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Is there a particular question with the paragraph?
>>
>> What it is saying, essentially, is that I (for example) create my
>> web-browser: KBrowse (I hope that's not a real browser!). I customize
>> my website to work /really, really,/ well within KBrowse, and let people
>> know that if they want the "full experience on my site," they should
>> download KBrowse. Up to here, I'm actually okay.
>>
>> The problem starts when I muddle with what visitors see in any other
>> browser - that is, I intentionally make my website look bad, in an
>> attempt to force people to download KBrowse in order to partake of my
>
> Thanks Kelly and Greg. i understand it better now but the paragraph
> does make it sound like there is a current, egregious happening of this
> and apparently there isn't, or someone would have talked about it. it
> was confusing to me, mainly, for that reason. i'm gonna copy the
> paragraph again, just for the reference of it.
>
> from here: http://webaim.org/articles/pour/robust. 2nd paragraph, the
> end of paragraph
>
> <copy>
> One of the most noticeable exceptions to this general trend is found
> in web sites owned by companies which develop their own browsers.
> They think that they can persuade people to use their company's
> browser if they create lesser versions of web content for all other
> brands of browsers. While this may be an effective marketing
> technique, it is not a good accessibility technique.</copy>
>
> best
> Donna
>
>
> --
> Donna Jones
> 94 Park Avenue, #3
> Portland, ME 04101
> (new address as of summer 2013)
>
> 207 772 0266
> http://westendwebs.com/
>
> The inability to pronounce a chemical ingredient is not an argument
> against it.
> > > > >
--
Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
From: _mallory
Date: Wed, Mar 09 2016 3:33AM
Subject: Re: questin
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This is ancient, but maybe it was prompted by the Bork
incident:
http://www.operasoftware.com/press/releases/desktop/opera-releases-bork-edition
?
_mallory
On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:31:54PM -0500, Donna Jones wrote:
> thanks Greg. but i still don't understand. i don't think Microsoft
> has ever done this and i don't see how they could actually, w/out
> having the development community up in arms at which point we would
> all know about it. and would it even be possible? does that
> excerpt mean something else?
>
> best
> Donna
>
>
> On 3/7/2016 4:19 PM, Greg Gamble wrote:
> >It would be like Microsoft showing text only web pages for any
> >browser other than Edge ... that's an extreme example.
> >
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >
From: Donna Jones
Date: Wed, Mar 09 2016 1:04PM
Subject: Re: questin
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yes, "ancient" but interesting, thanks for passing it on!
On 3/9/2016 5:33 AM, _mallory wrote:
> This is ancient, but maybe it was prompted by the Bork
> incident:
> http://www.operasoftware.com/press/releases/desktop/opera-releases-bork-edition
> ?
> _mallory
>
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:31:54PM -0500, Donna Jones wrote:
>> thanks Greg. but i still don't understand. i don't think Microsoft
>> has ever done this and i don't see how they could actually, w/out
>> having the development community up in arms at which point we would
>> all know about it. and would it even be possible? does that
>> excerpt mean something else?
>>
>> best
>> Donna
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/2016 4:19 PM, Greg Gamble wrote:
>>> It would be like Microsoft showing text only web pages for any
>>> browser other than Edge ... that's an extreme example.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
From: Jared Smith
Date: Wed, Mar 09 2016 1:36PM
Subject: Re: questin
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I appreciate the conversation about this. I've updated the article to
remove this section - and I also made some other notable updates to
reflect the current state of technology support.
Thanks,
Jared Smith
WebAIM.org
From: Donna Jones
Date: Wed, Mar 09 2016 1:47PM
Subject: Re: questin
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> I appreciate the conversation about this. I've updated the article to
> remove this section - and I also made some other notable updates to
> reflect the current state of technology support.
Jared: thanks. i also had been meaning to say that the article,
altogether, is excellent and i'm learning a lot! so thank you. meant
to do that sooner, we all can use a bit of appreciation!
best
Donna
, fd
--
Donna Jones
94 Park Avenue, #3
Portland, ME 04101
(new address as of summer 2013)
207 772 0266
http://westendwebs.com/
The inability to pronounce a chemical ingredient is not an argument
against it.