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From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 3:03AM
Subject: Braille Displays
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I would be highly appreciated if anyone can shed some light on this
situation that I have. I tried to research the web but was not lucky in
finding any useful information.

A client wishes to make his application screen reader and Braille Display
accessible. As I have never used a Braille Display before, I started
wondering and noticed that to have a Braille Display running, you ought to
have a screen reader running. Am I correct or wrong?



I am going through the WCAG audit for the client's application and it sure
fails many success criteria. My hope is to get the audit done and once that
is complete, the application will be accessible via Braille Displays as long
as JAWS or NVDA are running and support the drivers for the particular
Braille Display that will be used.



I would appreciate any feedback on my thought process. You may e-mail me off
the list since this is sort of an off-topic in a way. = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = . Thank
you folks.

From: chaals
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 3:19AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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I'm emailing to the list since I think this is actually on topic and a valuable discussion for people to read.

Note that I don't use a braille reader. Although it turns out I read braille better than most blind people - on account of the fact that most don't read braille. I hope one of those who does will chime in with some more experience here...

06.12.2016, 11:04, "JP Jamous" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> A client wishes to make his application screen reader and Braille Display
> accessible. As I have never used a Braille Display before, I started
> wondering and noticed that to have a Braille Display running, you ought to
> have a screen reader running. Am I correct or wrong?

Essentially right. You need something to send content to the braille reader, and I believe that the common case is now to use a screen reader since they provide that support.

There are also dedicated braille devices, just as there are multiple OSes and screen readers. So what you discover testing with acommon setup won't reflect the universal experience of everyone, but I presume that isn't a surprise.

> I am going through the WCAG audit for the client's application and it sure
> fails many success criteria. My hope is to get the audit done and once that
> is complete, the application will be accessible via Braille Displays as long
> as JAWS or NVDA are running and support the drivers for the particular
> Braille Display that will be used.

To be pedantic, the audit won't make anything accessible but fixing faults identified by it should do so, but I presume that is what you meant.

Roughly the same content will be passed to the Braille reader, but there are some important differences. People who do know braille like it because among other things it is precise - issues regarding pronunciation of acronyms and so on a reduced because the punctuation, capitalisation and spelling of words is explicit.

On the other hand, where speech is "pushed" to the user who has to consume it as it is given, braille is presented on the display and the user reads it at their leisure before requesting the next bit. Which means the way that e.g. live regions behave and that the user experiences them may be a little different. This is an area where a video or two - described and captioned, of course - would be a really great resource.

cheers

> I would appreciate any feedback on my thought process. You may e-mail me off
> the list since this is sort of an off-topic in a way. = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = . Thank
> you folks.
>
> > > > -- 
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 5:08AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Braille displays communicate with the OS through the screen reader.
The braille display vendors basically write drivers that are enable
the braille display and screen reader to communicate.
If a website is accessible and the screen reader and the driver handle
the driver issues properly then, yes, a website is braille display
accessible.
I have been using braille displays for over 20 years, but never tried
to use one to control the computer or browse, I find it too slow, but
I think it is fully doable on an accessible website.
Some braille note takers (that user can use independent of a computer,
like a PDA) may have a built-in browser, I have never tried one.
But if they do, I suspect their browser is not equipped to handle the
complexities of CSS, Javascript and ARIA, though I wouldn't mind being
wrong about that.



On 12/6/16, = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I'm emailing to the list since I think this is actually on topic and a
> valuable discussion for people to read.
>
> Note that I don't use a braille reader. Although it turns out I read braille
> better than most blind people - on account of the fact that most don't read
> braille. I hope one of those who does will chime in with some more
> experience here...
>
> 06.12.2016, 11:04, "JP Jamous" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
>> A client wishes to make his application screen reader and Braille Display
>> accessible. As I have never used a Braille Display before, I started
>> wondering and noticed that to have a Braille Display running, you ought to
>> have a screen reader running. Am I correct or wrong?
>
> Essentially right. You need something to send content to the braille reader,
> and I believe that the common case is now to use a screen reader since they
> provide that support.
>
> There are also dedicated braille devices, just as there are multiple OSes
> and screen readers. So what you discover testing with acommon setup won't
> reflect the universal experience of everyone, but I presume that isn't a
> surprise.
>
>> I am going through the WCAG audit for the client's application and it sure
>> fails many success criteria. My hope is to get the audit done and once
>> that
>> is complete, the application will be accessible via Braille Displays as
>> long
>> as JAWS or NVDA are running and support the drivers for the particular
>> Braille Display that will be used.
>
> To be pedantic, the audit won't make anything accessible but fixing faults
> identified by it should do so, but I presume that is what you meant.
>
> Roughly the same content will be passed to the Braille reader, but there are
> some important differences. People who do know braille like it because among
> other things it is precise - issues regarding pronunciation of acronyms and
> so on a reduced because the punctuation, capitalisation and spelling of
> words is explicit.
>
> On the other hand, where speech is "pushed" to the user who has to consume
> it as it is given, braille is presented on the display and the user reads it
> at their leisure before requesting the next bit. Which means the way that
> e.g. live regions behave and that the user experiences them may be a little
> different. This is an area where a video or two - described and captioned,
> of course - would be a really great resource.
>
> cheers
>
>> I would appreciate any feedback on my thought process. You may e-mail me
>> off
>> the list since this is sort of an off-topic in a way. = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = .
>> Thank
>> you folks.
>>
>> >> >> >> >
> --
> Charles McCathie Nevile - standards - Yandex
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
> > > > >


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From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 6:35AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Thank you folks. That was exactly what I thought. One other question.

When you read, you use the Braille Display to read only. So how do you provide input feedback to the machine such as filling out text boxes or selecting radio buttons?

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 6:56AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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> When you read, you use the Braille Display to read only. So how do you provide input feedback to the machine such as filling out text boxes or selecting radio buttons?

Many Braille displays also have keys for input including chorded input and allow you to enter text via Braille input from the display to the browser or whatever app is being used. Also the Braille keys can be used for navigation purposes.

Here is an article about the support on iOS

http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios

Jonathan

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From: Rolf Mager
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 7:06AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Usually, people also have a (standard) computer keyboard attached in addition to the braille display. Filling out text boxes and such is then done using the computer keyboard. But braille displays are also input devices - you also have buttons and switches and other controls to interact with the computer/app. For example, usually there is a button per braille module, a routing key, to click on an object at a particular position. With other controls you are able to navigate through the content.

Best wishes,
Rolf

> Am 06.12.2016 um 14:35 schrieb JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
>
> Thank you folks. That was exactly what I thought. One other question.
>
> When you read, you use the Braille Display to read only. So how do you provide input feedback to the machine such as filling out text boxes or selecting radio buttons?
>
>

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 7:07AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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> Braille displays communicate with the OS through the screen reader.

I'd say one exception could be Android where there is a separate BrailleBack service. This means that things that might work with speech and talkback may not work as expected with BrailleBack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.eyesfree.brailleback&hl=en

Jonathan

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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 7:08AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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For me check boxes and radiobuttons show up as a pari of angled brackets < >
When I check/select them an x appears between the opening and closing
bracket, and the screen reader provides the speech feedback
(checked/not checked).
The type of control shows up as a 3 letter code to the left of the box
(cbx for checkbox and rbt for radiobutton).
I'll do somWHen I have time I should do a little write-up based on
actual examples .. it's just that spare time is such a rare commodity.




On 12/6/16, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> When you read, you use the Braille Display to read only. So how do you
>> provide input feedback to the machine such as filling out text boxes or
>> selecting radio buttons?
>
> Many Braille displays also have keys for input including chorded input and
> allow you to enter text via Braille input from the display to the browser or
> whatever app is being used. Also the Braille keys can be used for
> navigation purposes.
>
> Here is an article about the support on iOS
>
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
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> 703.637.8957 (Office)
>
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From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 8:39AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Answers seem to be agree with my observations. One other thing to note, is
that there are some Braille devices that currently run Android or Linux. In
these cases, the web browsing experience is probably significantly better
than it would be for the older Braille Notetakers that have Windows CE v6
and a variant of IE running on them.
Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 6 December 2016 at 09:08, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> For me check boxes and radiobuttons show up as a pari of angled brackets <
> >
> When I check/select them an x appears between the opening and closing
> bracket, and the screen reader provides the speech feedback
> (checked/not checked).
> The type of control shows up as a 3 letter code to the left of the box
> (cbx for checkbox and rbt for radiobutton).
> I'll do somWHen I have time I should do a little write-up based on
> actual examples .. it's just that spare time is such a rare commodity.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/6/16, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >> When you read, you use the Braille Display to read only. So how do you
> >> provide input feedback to the machine such as filling out text boxes or
> >> selecting radio buttons?
> >
> > Many Braille displays also have keys for input including chorded input
> and
> > allow you to enter text via Braille input from the display to the
> browser or
> > whatever app is being used. Also the Braille keys can be used for
> > navigation purposes.
> >
> > Here is an article about the support on iOS
> >
> > http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/
> guide-braille-screen-input-ios
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > Jonathan Avila
> > Chief Accessibility Officer
> > SSB BART Group
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > 703.637.8957 (Office)
> >
> > Visit us online: Website | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn | Blog
> > Don't miss Trends in Accessibility & Electronic Documents on Wed 12/7!
> >
> > The information contained in this transmission may be attorney privileged
> > and/or confidential information intended for the use of the individual or
> > entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,
> distribution
> > or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
> >
> >

From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 8:40AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Oh I know. I don't have time either and I want to write an article on how to use the A11Y checker with Visual Studio 2015.

Thank you for answering my second question. So your screen reader is always on then. I would assume that a person with a Braille Display that has a Braille keyboard can silence the speech synthesizer and use the Braille Display alone.

So having proper semantic is highly important as Braille Displays are concerned. They would have to identify the object properly or you won't get the 3 letter code before the radio button or check box.

From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 8:42AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Jonathon and Rolf,

Thank you for the feedback. That's great information.

I thought I was on the right track through my analytical mind and you have confirmed that to me. Now, I can continue the project with confidence.

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:06PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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bercor i am thinking this might be a good pease for us to work on
together. if i can find a person willing to run the camera i can create
the video of what the display is showing. and talk about how to change
your testing prodacall if you need to asure braille access. witch we all
should asure smile lucy

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Jonathon and Rolf,
>
> Thank you for the feedback. That's great information.
>
> I thought I was on the right track through my analytical mind and you have
> confirmed that to me. Now, I can continue the project with confidence.
>
>

From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:16PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Though it would be good to go over what is in the Braille display, for
sighted folks using the braille viewers is equally important. JAWS now
allows the Braille viewer to be visible even if no display is attached, and
Macintosh VoiceOver also has this ability.

I don't know about NVDA or WindowEyes, though I expect that if NVDA does
not have a braille viewer one could be generated as an add on.



On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:07 PM Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> bercor i am thinking this might be a good pease for us to work on
> together. if i can find a person willing to run the camera i can create
> the video of what the display is showing. and talk about how to change
> your testing prodacall if you need to asure braille access. witch we all
> should asure smile lucy
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Jonathon and Rolf,
> >
> > Thank you for the feedback. That's great information.
> >
> > I thought I was on the right track through my analytical mind and you
> have
> > confirmed that to me. Now, I can continue the project with confidence.
> >
> >

From: Chagnon | PubCom
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:15PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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If you do go ahead and make this video demonstration of Braille, could you post it somewhere where we can direct people to view it?

It sure would help those of us who teach how to make accessible content. Nearly all of my thousands of students each year are amazed when I can show them how assistive technologies work and how those with disabilities use these technologies. It gets them on board with accessibility and ready to put a little extra work into making their content accessible.

--Bevi Chagnon

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for publishing & communication
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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:22PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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hello:

if i am able to get a camera person it will go up on the bats.fyi web site
the trick is finding a person to run the camera

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Though it would be good to go over what is in the Braille display, for
> sighted folks using the braille viewers is equally important. JAWS now
> allows the Braille viewer to be visible even if no display is attached, and
> Macintosh VoiceOver also has this ability.
>
> I don't know about NVDA or WindowEyes, though I expect that if NVDA does
> not have a braille viewer one could be generated as an add on.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:07 PM Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > bercor i am thinking this might be a good pease for us to work on
> > together. if i can find a person willing to run the camera i can create
> > the video of what the display is showing. and talk about how to change
> > your testing prodacall if you need to asure braille access. witch we all
> > should asure smile lucy
> >
> > Lucia Greco
> > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Jonathon and Rolf,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the feedback. That's great information.
> > >
> > > I thought I was on the right track through my analytical mind and you
> > have
> > > confirmed that to me. Now, I can continue the project with confidence.
> > >
> > >

From: Chagnon | PubCom
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:26PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Maybe a budding film student at the university?
--Bevi

From: Jim Homme
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:31PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Hi,
I'd like to continue this discussion and bring in a different point in a separate e-mail because I am going through a similar situation. So far, I've looked at a site I'm evaluating with two screen readers, JAWS and NVDA. Those screen readers support Braille differently. I know that's not a very helpful explanation, so I will try to get my thoughts in order separately. I think that the differences are great enough in Braille support that you may have to evaluate using both screen readers on the PC. You may even need to get Window-eyes and use that. Anyway, so far I feel that JAWS has better and more comprehensive Braille support than NVDA does. I will try to get the exact symptoms together and report them, but the differences seem to be mostly how things are displayed, and not that NVDA doesn't work in some situations. But, as I said, I'll report back.

Jim


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From: Joshua Hori
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:33PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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We've used a braille display for a PCI compliant program on the desktop in our donations department which worked better with braille displays than it did with screenreaders. The screenreader would jump around the program and was difficult to navigate, but when using a braille display it actually fixed some of the navigation issues we were running into.

The user didn't want a screenreader when interacting with possible donors. Said it was too distracting trying to listen to it and the phone call at the same time. I've also had a user who was braille display only and didn't like using the screenreader.

Joshua

From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:44PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Jim,

Definitely, keep us posted. I'd like to learn the differences.

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 12:56PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Great points everyone.
Let's keep in mind that people who use braille note takers or displays
with Brailleback are a very tiny portion of the user base. Getting
into the luxury of testing the braille display only experience for a
website is definitely a luxury most people cannot afford, nor would I
recommend it unless the site is in fantastic shape acessibility wise,
or the request and the funding is in place.
For OS based program, Windows in particular, some braille displa magic
was often very helpful to work around otherwise accessible controls.
For web-based ones, I have not seen this being as helpful, since most
scree readers can interact well with web-based applications.
All that corporate policy speak aside, I'd love to do such a demo,
maybe this is a project fit for CSUN 2017 (I am not presenting, and
Lucy only has 25 presentations). ;)
-B



On 12/6/16, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Definitely, keep us posted. I'd like to learn the differences.
>
>

From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 1:01PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Then of course there is the issue that most of us sighted accessibility wonks can't read braille.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

From: Jim Homme
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 1:13PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Hi All,
Keep in mind that when the American Printing House and Orbit come out with the new display, Braille will be very much more affordable. I think that might cause a ripple affect in accessibility work. Displays will suddenly go from over 2K to around 500 USD.

Jim


=========Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
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http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 1:27PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Mike,

TS buddy. LOL

Just kidding.

From: Jim Homme
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Hi,
Do I sense a reverse accessibility issue here? :)

Jim


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Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
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http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 4:12PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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thinking over this hole thread i realized i don't know what a display
will do with a alert or live region. now i want to find a few to test and
play with i asked if i could use the studeo on campus to record and am
waiting to here back will let you all know if i come up with any thing.

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jim Homme < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi,
> Do I sense a reverse accessibility issue here? :)
>
> Jim
>
>
> =========> Jim Homme,
> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
> 412-787-8567,
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
> accessible-technology-solutions
> E+R=O
>
>

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 4:27PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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> thinking over this hole thread i realized i don't know what a display will do with a alert or live region.

You would think JAWS would use Flash messages to communicate them but that doesn't seem to be an option.

Jonathan

From: Mallory
Date: Tue, Dec 06 2016 4:36PM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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I recall Marco Zehe letting us know that aria-live areas where content
is added in fact doesn't make it to a Braille display even though it's
found by the screen reader.
However, I don't know if he meant blanket all Braille displays or if it
was specific to NVDA or FF or something.

cheers,

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Lucy Greco wrote:
> thinking over this hole thread i realized i don't know what a display
> will do with a alert or live region. now i want to find a few to test
> and
> play with i asked if i could use the studeo on campus to record and am
> waiting to here back will let you all know if i come up with any thing.
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
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>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jim Homme < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Do I sense a reverse accessibility issue here? :)
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Wed, Dec 07 2016 1:08AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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Hmm,

If anything occurs on the display, it will sure not be standardized. Each SR would handle it differently and maybe each drivers would handle it differently.

Let us know what you find out. That will be interesting.

From: Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)
Date: Wed, Dec 07 2016 7:54AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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JP,

You just gave me a great laugh on a really tough morning. If you are ever in Austin we should go have a beer. My nephew is a partner in one of our local craft breweries.

Thanks

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)

From: chaals
Date: Wed, Dec 07 2016 8:06AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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07.12.2016, 15:54, "Moore,Michael (Accessibility) (HHSC)" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> JP,
>
> You just gave me a great laugh on a really tough morning. If you are ever in Austin we should go have a beer. My nephew is a partner in one of our local craft breweries.

Then I recommend getting half a dozen six-packs. As a very large braille cell, they do a good job, and then you can learn the basics in an evening. Especially if you don't drink them all.

cheers

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From: JP Jamous
Date: Wed, Dec 07 2016 8:09AM
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
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I am glad I did.

If I fly down there, You bet I will. It will be great to meet you and try something new.