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From: Karlen Communications
Date: Thu, Jun 13 2019 6:55AM
Subject: Comparing Results of Tagged PDF with Acrobat and Alternatives
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Hi Everyone:
I've started a series of comparison articles on the accessibility/tagging of
PDF documents from Acrobat Pro DC, Foxit Phantom for Business and Nuance
PowerPDF Advanced. Note that both Foxit and Nuance have versions of their
software that don't have tagging capabilities. The ones listed do.
https://www.karlencommunications.com/DocumentRemediation.htm
I plan to take different elements, for example am now looking at how
footnotes/endnotes are tagged by each of them, and putting the articles on
this web page. I didn't want to create a new web page and this one seemed
the logical choice to house the content.
Cheers, Karen
From: Philip Kiff
Date: Thu, Jun 13 2019 9:02AM
Subject: Re: Comparing Results of Tagged PDF with Acrobat and Alternatives
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This is a great idea, Karen.
I like the idea of grouping the tagging tool analyses into separate
pieces based on specific tagging tasks or groups of related tags -
especially since tools like Acrobat DC and Word 365 now seem to be
updating and changing the way they behave more frequently. When trying
to fix things, I find it very helpful to be able to identify where a
specific problem originates, whether I can fix it by editing the source
file, and what other options might become available by switching tools.
I noticed some changes to the way Acrobat DC and Word 365 were managing
Table of Contents recently, but it takes time to pin down what exactly
is going on.
Phil.
Philip Kiff
D4K Communications
On 2019-06-13 08:55, Karlen Communications wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
>
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> I've started a series of comparison articles on the accessibility/tagging of
> PDF documents from Acrobat Pro DC, Foxit Phantom for Business and Nuance
> PowerPDF Advanced. Note that both Foxit and Nuance have versions of their
> software that don't have tagging capabilities. The ones listed do.
>
>
>
> https://www.karlencommunications.com/DocumentRemediation.htm
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>
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> I plan to take different elements, for example am now looking at how
> footnotes/endnotes are tagged by each of them, and putting the articles on
> this web page. I didn't want to create a new web page and this one seemed
> the logical choice to house the content.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
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From: chagnon
Date: Thu, Jun 13 2019 10:23AM
Subject: Re: Comparing Results of Tagged PDF with Acrobat and Alternatives
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We, too, have noticed the mis-tagging of TOCs and other elements for the
past year, and it's getting worse with each new release or update from
Microsoft and Adobe.
(FYI, I can't address FoxIt or PowerPDF because they've never been able to
make a correctly tagged PDF from MS Office, so what they produce now is no
better or worse than what they did in the past.)
TOCs that are constructed correctly in MS Office export as a jumble of tags
that are inaccessible for those using A T, especially screen readers.
Up until about a year ago, both Microsoft and Adobe had created a reliable
method of making an accessible, tagged TOC in PDFs...and now suddenly they
no longer do that.
Why has this happened?
Since those of us who make and test accessible documents haven't changed our
methods, the problem must come from something that Microsoft and Adobe have
done to the software tools:
Could be that ...
--MS Word has changed how it encodes TOCs in Word documents.
--Microsoft's Save As PDF utility has changed how it tags the TOC.
--Adobe's PDF Maker export utility (aka the Acrobat Ribbon) has changed how
it tags the TOC.
I actually don't know who changed what at this time, but I do know that what
we're now getting from MS Office is a piece of junk that should not be
allowed by the industry.
People -- real human beings who use A T -- can't read the TOC. It is an
inaccessible mess!
If you think that this will be a problem for yourself or those who will use
your documents, then I encourage you to download Karen's sample documents
and judge for yourself.
And then we need to do something to correct this problem.
--Bevi Chagnon
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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Thu, Jun 13 2019 10:42AM
Subject: Re: Comparing Results of Tagged PDF with Acrobat and Alternatives
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Related to weird PDF tagging issues -- I'm still seeing a role mapping of /artifact to p in the role mappings view of Acrobat after converting a Word document to PDF using the Acrobat Plug-in in Office 365 and the Office save as PDF feature.
Jonathan