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From: Mark Stimson
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2004 8:43AM
Subject: FW: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.
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FW: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.

Gary,

I've also searched for an answer to that question a couple of years ago, and never came up with any decent data or references.&nbsp; Perhaps there have been some attempts to obtain demographic data of screen reader users since then.&nbsp; I'm forwarding you a study I received a couple months ago by Microsoft and Forrester Data, a private research firm, called &quot;AT's Wide Impact - a Forrester Data &amp; Microsoft Research Report.&quot;&nbsp; It's probably the closest thing I've seen to good demographic data so far.&nbsp; If you do come across any other studies I would surely be grateful if you could let me know about them.&nbsp; Again, I haven't conducted a &quot;thorough&quot; lit search in at least 2 years, so I'm sure there's stuff out there I don't know about.

Best regards,

Mark

P.S. Gary, I'm forwarding you the article in a separate email so that I don't bombard the WebAIM Discussion List with a large attachment.

P.S.S. WebAIM Discussion folks, if any of you would like me to forward you a copy of the AT Report to your personal email address, send me a response and let me know if you prefer MS Word or Adobe PDF.

Mark&nbsp; Stimson,&nbsp; Ph.D.

Access Technology Specialist

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From: liza.zamboglou
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2004 8:52AM
Subject: Re: FW: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.
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FW: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.



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Hi Mark, could you possibly send me a MS
Word version of that article?

Many Thanks

Liza

From: paul.creedy
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2004 9:46AM
Subject: Re: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.
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I don't know about US or worldwide figures, but in the UK the RNIB at www.rnib.org.uk may be able to help you with stats.
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WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.------------------------------------------------------------------------From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ject: total number of screen readersDate: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:41:46 -0600Hey. I am currently doing research for my company for an article about web accessibility. I need a ballpark figure of how many people (US or worldwide) use screen reader software. I tried asking GW Micro for their sales figures, but they wouldn't tell me. i have also asked the makers of JAWS, but that figure would not be very accurate, since there are so many other screen readers out there. Does anybody know where I could find an estimate of the total number of people who use screen readers?Gary------------------------------------------------------------------------From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ject: Re: Flash
intoDate: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:59:04 -0600I would suggest having your index page be something that has 2 links: "flash" and "non-flash", then they click either link they want.------------------------------------------------------------------------From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ject: Site Map, Bobby, and WCAG 13.1Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:00:40 -0600I have an interesting delima.&nbsp; I am working on a new web site for our organization and am including a site map.&nbsp; My problem is this:&nbsp; Within major sections of the site which provide resources relating to different programs that we sponsor I have subnavigation menus that are very similar.&nbsp; A program may include training so there is a link to training for example.&nbsp; This does not pose a problem for the pages within the section.&nbsp; However when those links are listed within the site map there is an issue - several links that say
"training."&nbsp;Bobby correctly flagged this problem as a violation of WCAG 13.1.&nbsp;A visitor using a screen reader who visits the site map then uses the link list feature of their browser will be confused by the duplicate named links.&nbsp; However, to add the program name to all of the links relating to that program would likely be very annoying as well.&nbsp;Any suggestions from this group?&nbsp;Thanks,&nbsp;Mike Moore------------------------------------------------------------------------From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ject: Re: Site Map, Bobby, and WCAG 13.1Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:14:42 -0600I tend to do this with the "training" link being visible and the program name wrapped in a &lt;span class="hidden"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.&nbsp; Unfortunately Jaws honors display:none so that doesn't
work.hidden{width:1px;position:absolute;left:0;top:-100px;height:1px;overflow:hidden;}&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;a href=""&gt;Training &lt;span class="hidden"&gt;for Program&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&nbsp;Sandra ClarkFrom: mmoore [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:00 PMTo: WebAIM Discussion ListSubject: [WebAIM] Site Map, Bobby, and WCAG 13.1I have an interesting delima.&nbsp; I am working on a new web site for our organization and am including a site map.&nbsp; My problem is this:&nbsp; Within major sections of the site which provide resources relating to different programs that we sponsor I have subnavigation menus that are very similar.&nbsp; A program may include training so there is a link to training for example.&nbsp; This does not pose a problem for the pages within the section.&nbsp; However when those links are listed within the site map there is an issue -
several links that say "training."&nbsp;Bobby correctly flagged this problem as a violation of WCAG 13.1.&nbsp;A visitor using a screen reader who visits the site map then uses the link list feature of their browser will be confused by the duplicate named links.&nbsp; However, to add the program name to all of the links relating to that program would likely be very annoying as well.&nbsp;Any suggestions from this group?&nbsp;Thanks,&nbsp;Mike Moore------------------------------------------------------------------------From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ject: Re: Site Map, Bobby, and WCAG 13.1Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:31:58 -0600check out the new article on the Webaim website:An Accessible Method of Hiding HTML Content

From: Henny.Swan
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2004 9:54AM
Subject: Re: WebAIM Discussion List Digest 22.07.2004.
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Hi,

I work in the Web
Accessibility Team at RNIB and I'm afraid we don't have any stats either. It is
a question we do get asked all the time but we don't have the resource to carry
out a piece of research on this scale which is a shame. I'd be really interested
to hear about anything you find out about though.

Sorry I can't be
of much help.

Regards,
Henny

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From: Patrizia Bertini
Date: Thu, Jul 22 2004 10:07AM
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Hi Gary,

Why don't you try asking the Us Access Board? maybe they shall have
collected some datas regarding the US situation.

Otherwise, have you tried on the www.icdri.org site? They provide an
extensive and useful list of main site and projects also dealing with
Assistive tecnologies
(http://www.icdri.org/Assistive%20Technology/
sites_with_information_on_assist.htm), maybe among those names there's
something useful for you.

Hope this helps!

Pat

Il giorno 22/lug/04, alle 17:52, henny.swan ha scritto:

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