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From: Daniel Donaldson
Date: Sat, May 15 2021 12:22PM
Subject: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 194, Issue 9
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> 1. Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro (Jonathan Avila)
> 2. Re: Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro (Philip Kiff)
> 3. Re: Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro (Karen McCall)
> 4. the 10th GAAD is May 20 (Jennison Mark Asuncion)
> 5. Re: Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro (Philip Kiff)
> 6. Re: Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro (Philip Kiff)
> 7. information on the type of technology used for the effect in
> this web page (Catherine Roy)
> 8. Re: information on the type of technology used for the effect
> in this web page (Polling, Neil)
> 9. Re: information on the type of technology used for the effect
> in this web page (Catherine Roy)
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> Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 23:26:28 +0000
> Subject: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
> Hi all, I still have not found a great way within Acrobat to address
> optical character recognition (OCR) errors. The situation is that the text
> was incorrectly recognized but Acrobat does not perceive the issues as
> suspect and thus the tools typically in Acrobat to fix OCR suspects are not
> available. I'm not sure if there is a way to flag the content as suspect
> somehow - but it seems silly to not allow you to edit any of the OCR text
> unless it's a suspect.
>
> OCR'd content appears to have hidden objects that represent the text for
> the tags structure but this text is not editable itself. While Acrobat
> does have an edit text option in the last couple versions that does a good
> job in allowing you to edit the visual content in a type face that looks
> like OCR'd text - I am dealing with a document that can't be edited in that
> way for legal reasons. I need to edit the hidden text.
>
> In addition, hacks like use of actual text don't work with mobile devices
> so using that approach is not an option. The only way I have found is to
> artifact the object and create a new text box - but the text in that and
> hide it behind the image. That does work across desktop and mobile
> assistive technology.
>
> I also played with the preflight option to make OCR text into layers. It
> does a good job converting the OCR text into a different layer that can be
> edited. The challenge is then merging or flattening the layers back into
> one. When I try that I either lose the content in all the tags or I end up
> with duplicated text on screen even though I have chosen to not display the
> layer and mark the layer as a reference layer. Has anyone had luck with
> this method?
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to edit OCR text in Acrobat when
> you cannot edit the visual text and OCR suspects are not detected? I've
> tried Axes Quick for PDF but it doesn't seem to have any options for this
> either. I believe some programs like Abbyy Fine Reader could be used but
> my license for that is very old.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 08:52:31 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
> I haven't worked on a challengin OCR'd PDF in a year or two, but I could
> have sworn there was a way to get to a mode that would allow you to edit
> *any* of the OCR'd text, not just the suspect text without switching to
> a replacement font. The interface was terrible and the way to switch
> from editing suspect text to editing any text was not at all obvious.
> Mmmm....I can't find a sample of a case where I did this, so maybe I'm
> mis-remembering, and I actually used the "actual text" property - which
> you already indicated wouldn't meet your needs.
>
> I've never tried the other methods you propose. And yes, it does seem
> that Acrobat has an entirely other set of hidden object layer it uses to
> manage OCR'd text. And I don't think axesPDF QuickFix provides any
> access to it, either.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2021-05-14 19:26, Jonathan Avila wrote:
> > Hi all, I still have not found a great way within Acrobat to address
> optical character recognition (OCR) errors. The situation is that the text
> was incorrectly recognized but Acrobat does not perceive the issues as
> suspect and thus the tools typically in Acrobat to fix OCR suspects are not
> available. I'm not sure if there is a way to flag the content as suspect
> somehow - but it seems silly to not allow you to edit any of the OCR text
> unless it's a suspect.
> >
> > OCR'd content appears to have hidden objects that represent the text for
> the tags structure but this text is not editable itself. While Acrobat
> does have an edit text option in the last couple versions that does a good
> job in allowing you to edit the visual content in a type face that looks
> like OCR'd text - I am dealing with a document that can't be edited in that
> way for legal reasons. I need to edit the hidden text.
> >
> > In addition, hacks like use of actual text don't work with mobile
> devices so using that approach is not an option. The only way I have found
> is to artifact the object and create a new text box - but the text in that
> and hide it behind the image. That does work across desktop and mobile
> assistive technology.
> >
> > I also played with the preflight option to make OCR text into layers.
> It does a good job converting the OCR text into a different layer that can
> be edited. The challenge is then merging or flattening the layers back
> into one. When I try that I either lose the content in all the tags or I
> end up with duplicated text on screen even though I have chosen to not
> display the layer and mark the layer as a reference layer. Has anyone had
> luck with this method?
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to edit OCR text in Acrobat
> when you cannot edit the visual text and OCR suspects are not detected?
> I've tried Axes Quick for PDF but it doesn't seem to have any options for
> this either. I believe some programs like Abbyy Fine Reader could be used
> but my license for that is very old.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Jonathan
> > > > > > > > >
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 13:07:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
> You might be able to use the Edit PDF tools IF you haven't tagged the
> document yet. If you have, using this tool will destroy all tags either on
> that page or in the document...and you have to know what is wrong in the
> text before you can fix it. The Edit PDF capability may show you the
> correct spelling and spacing but the underlying OCR is wrong. I never
> recommend using this tool but offer it as an option if you can get it to do
> what you want it to do.
>
> The problem using Actual Text for large pieces of content is that the
> Text-to-Speech tools have to use a different reading mode for images of
> text and sometimes lose the ability to follow along with highlighting. Same
> with something like ZoomText Fusion...you lose the ability of JAWS to
> highlight where you are reading. I recommend against using the Actual Text
> attribute for large pieces of text and entire documents.
>
> I use ABBYY FineReader for any PDF document that I need to OCR. The latest
> version even has the capabilities to add form controls to the PDF (you have
> to do some remediation in the Tags Tree in Acrobat but these are minor).
> Others use OmniPage Pro and either can be purchased on sale for a
> reasonable price, not a subscription.
>
> FineReader has two ways of dealing with scanned document:
>
> As soon as you open a scanned document the OCR is done and you can resave
> the document as a searchable PDF without looking at any suspects or issues
> of spacing between words and characters. I use this when I want to just
> read a PDF that isn't tagged or is a scan because I can also send the
> document to Word.
>
> The other tool in FineReader (and OmniPage Pro) is the ability to create
> an OCR project, open the PDF and access their text editor. I can use JAWS
> in the text editor so I can hear when words aren't correct or if there are
> no spaces between words or if there are spaces between characters. There is
> a sort of Styles pane where you can add structure, text, images and tables
> are identified in the document, and I have the ability to find an replace
> optional hyphens. I had a really horrible scan of a book with handwritten
> notes, doodles and diagrams in the margins and around the text and within a
> few hours had a readable PDF document with my screen reader.
>
> I never use the Acrobat OCR for the reason mentioned...I can't rely on it
> telling "the truth" about what it found and what it missed. I ended up
> spending time remediating the scanned PDF only to find that words were
> wrong, some paragraphs had no spaces between words and others had spaces
> between characters in words. I save time by using one of the stand-alone
> OCR tools.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
>
>
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> Philip Kiff
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
>
> I haven't worked on a challengin OCR'd PDF in a year or two, but I could
> have sworn there was a way to get to a mode that would allow you to edit
> *any* of the OCR'd text, not just the suspect text without switching to a
> replacement font. The interface was terrible and the way to switch from
> editing suspect text to editing any text was not at all obvious.
> Mmmm....I can't find a sample of a case where I did this, so maybe I'm
> mis-remembering, and I actually used the "actual text" property - which you
> already indicated wouldn't meet your needs.
>
> I've never tried the other methods you propose. And yes, it does seem that
> Acrobat has an entirely other set of hidden object layer it uses to manage
> OCR'd text. And I don't think axesPDF QuickFix provides any access to it,
> either.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2021-05-14 19:26, Jonathan Avila wrote:
> > Hi all, I still have not found a great way within Acrobat to address
> optical character recognition (OCR) errors. The situation is that the text
> was incorrectly recognized but Acrobat does not perceive the issues as
> suspect and thus the tools typically in Acrobat to fix OCR suspects are not
> available. I'm not sure if there is a way to flag the content as suspect
> somehow - but it seems silly to not allow you to edit any of the OCR text
> unless it's a suspect.
> >
> > OCR'd content appears to have hidden objects that represent the text for
> the tags structure but this text is not editable itself. While Acrobat
> does have an edit text option in the last couple versions that does a good
> job in allowing you to edit the visual content in a type face that looks
> like OCR'd text - I am dealing with a document that can't be edited in that
> way for legal reasons. I need to edit the hidden text.
> >
> > In addition, hacks like use of actual text don't work with mobile
> devices so using that approach is not an option. The only way I have found
> is to artifact the object and create a new text box - but the text in that
> and hide it behind the image. That does work across desktop and mobile
> assistive technology.
> >
> > I also played with the preflight option to make OCR text into layers.
> It does a good job converting the OCR text into a different layer that can
> be edited. The challenge is then merging or flattening the layers back
> into one. When I try that I either lose the content in all the tags or I
> end up with duplicated text on screen even though I have chosen to not
> display the layer and mark the layer as a reference layer. Has anyone had
> luck with this method?
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to edit OCR text in Acrobat
> when you cannot edit the visual text and OCR suspects are not detected?
> I've tried Axes Quick for PDF but it doesn't seem to have any options for
> this either. I believe some programs like Abbyy Fine Reader could be used
> but my license for that is very old.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Jonathan
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 08:33:00 -0500
> Subject: [WebAIM] the 10th GAAD is May 20
> Folks,
>
> Joe Devon and I can't believe it, the 10th Global Accessibility
> Awareness Day #gaad is almost here, on Thursday, May 20. Stay tuned
> for some exciting news that Joe and I will be sharing on Thursday to
> take GAAD to the next level. On that, if you have warm contacts in the
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> If you are looking for how to participate, check out the events (that
> we are aware of) at
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> If you are running a GAAD event and want it listed on the GAAD site,
> please submit it
> https://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/submit-your-event/
> Need the logo? You can find it here
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> As part of GAAD's 10th anniversary, the A11yBay Meetup group, which I
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 10:04:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
> Just a quick follow-up on the Adobe Acrobat Pro DC interface for OCR. I
> found a file that I edited last year, and Acrobat Pro does seem to allow
> editing the way I remember?
>
> When I open this scanned PDF and have the original image displayed (i.e.
> not replacement font but an exact copy of the original image), I can
> open up the Scan & OCR Tool, and then select "Recognize Text" in the
> toolbar, and there is a checkbox "Review recognized text" that appears
> on the left in the sub-toolbar menu that opens below it. When I select
> that, initially only suspects appear editable even though I've selected
> the checkbox - the suspects are surrounded in red boxes. But on that
> screen I can then double click randomly on a piece of text and it will
> allow me to change the interpreted text for that snippet by editing the
> "image ... recognized as ... "entry for that newly selected box?
>
> It is for sure a terrible interface. And it does not actually seem like
> you can edit text. I had to flip back and forth between several pages
> before it started to work. But you can edit the text that way - or at
> least I can in this PDF?
>
> My interface looks similar to what I see under step 2 under "How to
> correct OCR errors" on this page from OneLegal (about whom I know
> nothing, but whose page I just found now because they happen to have
> instructions that seem to match what I'm seeing):
>
> https://www.onelegal.com/blog/how-to-correct-ocr-errors-using-adobe-acrobat/
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2021-05-15 08:52, Philip Kiff wrote:
> > I haven't worked on a challengin OCR'd PDF in a year or two, but I
> > could have sworn there was a way to get to a mode that would allow you
> > to edit *any* of the OCR'd text, not just the suspect text without
> > switching to a replacement font. The interface was terrible and the
> > way to switch from editing suspect text to editing any text was not at
> > all obvious. Mmmm....I can't find a sample of a case where I did this,
> > so maybe I'm mis-remembering, and I actually used the "actual text"
> > property - which you already indicated wouldn't meet your needs.
> >
> > I've never tried the other methods you propose. And yes, it does seem
> > that Acrobat has an entirely other set of hidden object layer it uses
> > to manage OCR'd text. And I don't think axesPDF QuickFix provides any
> > access to it, either.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2021-05-14 19:26, Jonathan Avila wrote:
> >> Hi all, I still have not found a great way within Acrobat to address
> >> optical character recognition (OCR) errors. The situation is that
> >> the text was incorrectly recognized but Acrobat does not perceive the
> >> issues as suspect and thus the tools typically in Acrobat to fix OCR
> >> suspects are not available. I'm not sure if there is a way to flag
> >> the content as suspect somehow - but it seems silly to not allow you
> >> to edit any of the OCR text unless it's a suspect.
> >>
> >> OCR'd content appears to have hidden objects that represent the text
> >> for the tags structure but this text is not editable itself. While
> >> Acrobat does have an edit text option in the last couple versions
> >> that does a good job in allowing you to edit the visual content in a
> >> type face that looks like OCR'd text - I am dealing with a document
> >> that can't be edited in that way for legal reasons. I need to edit
> >> the hidden text.
> >>
> >> In addition, hacks like use of actual text don't work with mobile
> >> devices so using that approach is not an option. The only way I have
> >> found is to artifact the object and create a new text box - but the
> >> text in that and hide it behind the image. That does work across
> >> desktop and mobile assistive technology.
> >>
> >> I also played with the preflight option to make OCR text into
> >> layers. It does a good job converting the OCR text into a different
> >> layer that can be edited. The challenge is then merging or
> >> flattening the layers back into one. When I try that I either lose
> >> the content in all the tags or I end up with duplicated text on
> >> screen even though I have chosen to not display the layer and mark
> >> the layer as a reference layer. Has anyone had luck with this method?
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to edit OCR text in Acrobat
> >> when you cannot edit the visual text and OCR suspects are not
> >> detected? I've tried Axes Quick for PDF but it doesn't seem to have
> >> any options for this either. I believe some programs like Abbyy Fine
> >> Reader could be used but my license for that is very old.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 10:22:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Fixing OCR issues in PDF with Adobe Acrobat Pro
> Oh, and here's a tip on using this method (if you can get it to work).
>
> As Karen noted, "you have to know what is wrong in the text before you
> can fix it." In such cases, I have used the "screenreader preview" view
> of the PAC tool (or in my case, axesPDF Quick Fix's integrated version
> of PAC) to get a copy of the "hidden" text that Acrobat is showing to
> screenreaders. You can cut and paste the output from that PAC window
> into your favourite text editor, and then I've used that output to run
> spell-check and/or review the outputted text so I can find the OCR
> errors that I want to fix.
>
> And Karen I am sure is right that ABBY FineReader or OmniPage Pro are
> better tools for all these things.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2021-05-15 10:04, Philip Kiff wrote:
> > Just a quick follow-up on the Adobe Acrobat Pro DC interface for OCR.
> > I found a file that I edited last year, and Acrobat Pro does seem to
> > allow editing the way I remember?
> >
> > When I open this scanned PDF and have the original image displayed
> > (i.e. not replacement font but an exact copy of the original image), I
> > can open up the Scan & OCR Tool, and then select "Recognize Text" in
> > the toolbar, and there is a checkbox "Review recognized text" that
> > appears on the left in the sub-toolbar menu that opens below it. When
> > I select that, initially only suspects appear editable even though
> > I've selected the checkbox - the suspects are surrounded in red boxes.
> > But on that screen I can then double click randomly on a piece of text
> > and it will allow me to change the interpreted text for that snippet
> > by editing the "image ... recognized as ... "entry for that newly
> > selected box?
> >
> > It is for sure a terrible interface. And it does not actually seem
> > like you can edit text. I had to flip back and forth between several
> > pages before it started to work. But you can edit the text that way -
> > or at least I can in this PDF?
> >
> > My interface looks similar to what I see under step 2 under "How to
> > correct OCR errors" on this page from OneLegal (about whom I know
> > nothing, but whose page I just found now because they happen to have
> > instructions that seem to match what I'm seeing):
> >
> https://www.onelegal.com/blog/how-to-correct-ocr-errors-using-adobe-acrobat/
> >
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On 2021-05-15 08:52, Philip Kiff wrote:
> >> I haven't worked on a challengin OCR'd PDF in a year or two, but I
> >> could have sworn there was a way to get to a mode that would allow
> >> you to edit *any* of the OCR'd text, not just the suspect text
> >> without switching to a replacement font. The interface was terrible
> >> and the way to switch from editing suspect text to editing any text
> >> was not at all obvious. Mmmm....I can't find a sample of a case where
> >> I did this, so maybe I'm mis-remembering, and I actually used the
> >> "actual text" property - which you already indicated wouldn't meet
> >> your needs.
> >>
> >> I've never tried the other methods you propose. And yes, it does seem
> >> that Acrobat has an entirely other set of hidden object layer it uses
> >> to manage OCR'd text. And I don't think axesPDF QuickFix provides any
> >> access to it, either.
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >> On 2021-05-14 19:26, Jonathan Avila wrote:
> >>> Hi all, I still have not found a great way within Acrobat to address
> >>> optical character recognition (OCR) errors. The situation is that
> >>> the text was incorrectly recognized but Acrobat does not perceive
> >>> the issues as suspect and thus the tools typically in Acrobat to fix
> >>> OCR suspects are not available. I'm not sure if there is a way to
> >>> flag the content as suspect somehow - but it seems silly to not
> >>> allow you to edit any of the OCR text unless it's a suspect.
> >>>
> >>> OCR'd content appears to have hidden objects that represent the text
> >>> for the tags structure but this text is not editable itself. While
> >>> Acrobat does have an edit text option in the last couple versions
> >>> that does a good job in allowing you to edit the visual content in a
> >>> type face that looks like OCR'd text - I am dealing with a document
> >>> that can't be edited in that way for legal reasons. I need to edit
> >>> the hidden text.
> >>>
> >>> In addition, hacks like use of actual text don't work with mobile
> >>> devices so using that approach is not an option. The only way I
> >>> have found is to artifact the object and create a new text box - but
> >>> the text in that and hide it behind the image. That does work across
> >>> desktop and mobile assistive technology.
> >>>
> >>> I also played with the preflight option to make OCR text into
> >>> layers. It does a good job converting the OCR text into a different
> >>> layer that can be edited. The challenge is then merging or
> >>> flattening the layers back into one. When I try that I either lose
> >>> the content in all the tags or I end up with duplicated text on
> >>> screen even though I have chosen to not display the layer and mark
> >>> the layer as a reference layer. Has anyone had luck with this method?
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have any thoughts on how best to edit OCR text in
> >>> Acrobat when you cannot edit the visual text and OCR suspects are
> >>> not detected? I've tried Axes Quick for PDF but it doesn't seem to
> >>> have any options for this either. I believe some programs like
> >>> Abbyy Fine Reader could be used but my license for that is very old.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan
> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 11:17:42 -0400
> Subject: [WebAIM] information on the type of technology used for the
> effect in this web page
> Hi all,
>
> Could someone please explain how the effect in this web page from new
> york times works? And how accessible or not it may be to disabled users,
> especially users of assisted tech or users with visual or other
> impairments?
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/02/arts/design/shah-jahan-chitarman.html
>
> Thanks!
>
> Catherine
>
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 15:29:47 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] information on the type of technology used for the
> effect in this web page
> Hi Catherine,
> I took a look at it on my iPhone using VoiceOver and it's completely
> inaccessible. According to VO it's essentially over 100 pages of nothing.
> The text intended to refer to various portions of the image aren't being
> read and there's no verbal indication that anything is there at all.
> It's a cool effect visually, but there would need to be reading an overall
> alt text for the full image at the beginning, then as the use moves to each
> text section combining a reading of the displayed text along with a more
> detailed alt text description for that section of the image
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
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> Hi all,
>
> Could someone please explain how the effect in this web page from new
> york times works? And how accessible or not it may be to disabled users,
> especially users of assisted tech or users with visual or other
> impairments?
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/02/arts/design/shah-jahan-chitarman.html__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dhX_rD4R9BM_E1LXmqnj2KJAKcgNcwyqoOuyidbfRciJkSPlsYNEsuV3A4tkbuNmLMK3sQ$
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> Thanks!
>
> Catherine
>
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> Catherine Roy
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> Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 13:32:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] information on the type of technology used for the
> effect in this web page
> Wow, thank you Neil for your response. So it's worse than I thought. I am
> kind of surprised that the New York Times would produce something so
> inaccessible.
>
> What kind of technology is being used to create this affect? Is it simply
> JavaScript or is there something else?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Catherine
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> > On May 15, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Polling, Neil < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Catherine,
> > I took a look at it on my iPhone using VoiceOver and it's completely
> inaccessible. According to VO it's essentially over 100 pages of nothing.
> The text intended to refer to various portions of the image aren't being
> read and there's no verbal indication that anything is there at all.
> > It's a cool effect visually, but there would need to be reading an
> overall alt text for the full image at the beginning, then as the use moves
> to each text section combining a reading of the displayed text along with a
> more detailed alt text description for that section of the image
> >
> > > > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> Catherine Roy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 10:17:42 AM
> > To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Subject: [WebAIM] information on the type of technology used for the
> effect in this web page
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Could someone please explain how the effect in this web page from new
> > york times works? And how accessible or not it may be to disabled users,
> > especially users of assisted tech or users with visual or other
> impairments?
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/02/arts/design/shah-jahan-chitarman.html__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dhX_rD4R9BM_E1LXmqnj2KJAKcgNcwyqoOuyidbfRciJkSPlsYNEsuV3A4tkbuNmLMK3sQ$
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Catherine
> >
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