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From: Rachel
Date: Fri, May 02 2003 2:13AM
Subject: Re: Header tag
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Two questions:

One:

Is it OK to have a Web page that has a H1 at the top,
then a H2, and then several H5s?

In other words, there's no H3 or H4 in use on the
page? Just H1, H2, H5?

Are there any negative effects for screen readers like
Jaws, that can scan headlines?

Two:

Is there general agreement on what the different
headings mean?

In this thread people have said that
H1 is the page title (mimics the <title>...</title>
element) ;
H2 is like a chapter title;
H3 is a section;
and H4 and H5 are like what?

I was not aware of these meanings. Is there an
official guideline about this somewhere?

Thanks,
Rachel Sengers

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From: Benjer
Date: Fri, May 02 2003 2:28AM
Subject: Re: Header tag
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On 2/5/03 1:05 am, "Rachel" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Two questions:
>
> One:
>
> Is it OK to have a Web page that has a H1 at the top,
> then a H2, and then several H5s?
>
> In other words, there's no H3 or H4 in use on the
> page? Just H1, H2, H5?
>
> Are there any negative effects for screen readers like
> Jaws, that can scan headlines?
>
> Two:
>
> Is there general agreement on what the different
> headings mean?
>
> In this thread people have said that
> H1 is the page title (mimics the <title>...</title>
> element) ;
> H2 is like a chapter title;
> H3 is a section;
> and H4 and H5 are like what?
>
> I was not aware of these meanings. Is there an
> official guideline about this somewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Rachel Sengers
>


This is all I could find (apols if already posted)

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#document-headers

ben



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From: Simon Jessey
Date: Fri, May 02 2003 4:30AM
Subject: RE: Header tag
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: Re: Header tag
>
> Two questions:
>
> One:
>
> Is it OK to have a Web page that has a H1 at the top, then a H2, and then
several H5s?

Yes. It should be perfectly okay to skip heading levels. A high level
heading should be followed by a lower level heading, though the precise
level isn't important. You should avoid jumping around willy nilly, however.


> Is there general agreement on what the different
> headings mean?

There should be no 'meaning' beyond the fact that they are headings. The
examples you cited were just sample usage. It is generally accepted that it
is good practice to have the same information in the <h1>...</h1> element as
the <title>...</title> element, but there certainly isn't any agreement
about it.

The only 'agreement' that I can think of, is that headings should no be used
purely as a mechanism to create larger, bolder text.

Simon Jessey
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From: John Foliot - bytown internet
Date: Fri, May 02 2003 4:52AM
Subject: RE: Header tag
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Rachel,

Why would you skip the H3 and H4 headers? Headers imply structured logic,
and are numbered in part for that reason. Is there a reason why you would
want to skip them?

JF



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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Subject: Re: Header tag
> >
> > Two questions:
> >
> > One:
> >
> > Is it OK to have a Web page that has a H1 at the top, then a
> H2, and then
> several H5s?
>
> Yes. It should be perfectly okay to skip heading levels. A high level
> heading should be followed by a lower level heading, though the precise
> level isn't important. You should avoid jumping around willy
> nilly, however.
>
>
> > Is there general agreement on what the different
> > headings mean?
>
> There should be no 'meaning' beyond the fact that they are headings. The
> examples you cited were just sample usage. It is generally
> accepted that it
> is good practice to have the same information in the <h1>...</h1>
> element as
> the <title>...</title> element, but there certainly isn't any agreement
> about it.
>
> The only 'agreement' that I can think of, is that headings should
> no be used
> purely as a mechanism to create larger, bolder text.
>
> Simon Jessey
> w: http://jessey.net/blog/
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