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From: Robert Miles
Date: Tue, Jul 30 2002 7:43AM
Subject: Accessibility Courses
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Speaking of products and training, can anyone
recommend a training program for becoming compliant
with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
University. Are these programs decent? Other
suggestions?
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From: tedge@tecaccess.net
Date: Tue, Jul 30 2002 8:02AM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Courses
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I was in Washington last week, as we were putting on a 508 training for
the USDA.
Talk of Crunchy came up among some of the attendees and it did not
receive the highest rating.
George Washington University, if this is the one that is year long and
massive in information. I myself would love to attend!
If I may ask what software are you using to create the course's?
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From: Robert Miles [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
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Subject: Accessibility Courses
Speaking of products and training, can anyone
recommend a training program for becoming compliant
with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
University. Are these programs decent? Other
suggestions?
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From: Michael R. Burks
Date: Tue, Jul 30 2002 8:35AM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Courses
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You might also try www.easi.cc.
Sincerely,
Mike Burks
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Subject: Accessibility Courses
Speaking of products and training, can anyone
recommend a training program for becoming compliant
with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
University. Are these programs decent? Other
suggestions?
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From: tedge@tecaccess.net
Date: Tue, Jul 30 2002 8:47AM
Subject: RE: Accessibility Courses
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http://www.iwanet.org/ also offers a good course on this.
"You might also try www.easi.cc.
Sincerely,
Mike Burks"
From: Robert Miles [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
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Subject: Accessibility Courses
Speaking of products and training, can anyone
recommend a training program for becoming compliant
with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
University. Are these programs decent? Other
suggestions?
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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Tue, Jul 30 2002 9:40AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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Do you mean the web accessibility requirements of Section 508 or other
non-web requirements?
Jon
At 07:36 AM 7/30/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Speaking of products and training, can anyone
>recommend a training program for becoming compliant
>with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
>talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
>University. Are these programs decent? Other
>suggestions?
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From: Mark Bryant
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 11:38AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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Check out the PowerPoint presentation at GCF Global Learning:
http://www.gcflearnfree.org/en/resources/accessibility.asp
It covers elements of Section 508, usability, and writing for the web.
-mark
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Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:36 AM
Subject: Accessibility Courses
> Speaking of products and training, can anyone
> recommend a training program for becoming compliant
> with section 508 specifications? I have heard some
> talk of Crunchy technologies and George Washington
> University. Are these programs decent? Other
> suggestions?
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From: Jeff Finlay
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 11:44AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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> Check out the PowerPoint presentation at GCF Global Learning:
> http://www.gcflearnfree.org/en/resources/accessibility.asp
>
> It covers elements of Section 508, usability, and writing for the web.
The PowerPoint file doesn't seem in itself to be accessible, though. Isn't
it a bit of a contradiction to be informing about accessibility using an
inaccessible format? Jeff
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From: Mark Bryant
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 11:53AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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The PowerPoint presentation was created based on a live seminar and made
available for reference. What have you found to be inaccessible? What
suggestions do you have to make PowerPoint presentations more accessible?
-mark
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Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
> > Check out the PowerPoint presentation at GCF Global Learning:
> > http://www.gcflearnfree.org/en/resources/accessibility.asp
> >
> > It covers elements of Section 508, usability, and writing for the web.
>
> The PowerPoint file doesn't seem in itself to be accessible, though. Isn't
> it a bit of a contradiction to be informing about accessibility using an
> inaccessible format? Jeff
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From: Jeff Finlay
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 12:07PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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> The PowerPoint presentation was created based on a live seminar and made
> available for reference.
It's hardly an ideal online resource in that case.
> What have you found to be inaccessible? What
> suggestions do you have to make PowerPoint presentations more accessible?
From a general viewpoint (not particular to any kind of disability) in this case
the presentation immediately broke into a series of confusing frames and I
couldn't figure out how to get past the first slide. Jeff
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From: Ali Naito
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 1:33PM
Subject: Form Labels & Lift
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Hi everyone,
I'm using the Lift program with Dreamweaver and I'm getting an error on my
form labels. We have a database set up that automatically makes an ID for
our form labels. In Lift it's telling me the form label is invalid. If I
try to use the form wizard on it, it doesn't like the ID I put in. I have
two theories, can someone tell me if either of these are correct and if not,
what is the problem.
1 - the ID cannot begin with a number (although i saw an example of this on
w3c.org)
2 - the label is AFTER the form element in the table. Does the label have
to be before the form element?
Here's an example of the page, without images and css.
http://www.bila.net/508tests/mailcenter.html
Thanks
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From: Michael Goddard
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 1:37PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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And please do tell me WHY it is hardly an ideal online resource in that
case??
I found it quite informative!
Curious...
Goddard
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Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
> > The PowerPoint presentation was created based on a live seminar and made
> > available for reference.
>
> It's hardly an ideal online resource in that case.
>
> > What have you found to be inaccessible? What
> > suggestions do you have to make PowerPoint presentations more
accessible?
>
> From a general viewpoint (not particular to any kind of disability) in
this case
> the presentation immediately broke into a series of confusing frames and I
> couldn't figure out how to get past the first slide. Jeff
>
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From: Tim Luoma
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 2:25PM
Subject: Re: Form Labels & Lift
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Ali Naito wrote:
> 1 - the ID cannot begin with a number (although i saw an example of this on
> w3c.org)
It depends on what standard you want to go with
XHTML:
C.8. Fragment Identifiers
Note that the collection of legal values in XML 1.0 Section 2.3,
production 5 is much larger than that permitted to be used in the ID and
NAME types defined in HTML 4. When defining fragment identifiers to be
backward-compatible, only strings matching the pattern
[A-Za-z][A-Za-z0-9:_.-]* should be used. See Section 6.2 of [HTML4] for
more information.
Source for above: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_8
HTML:
(Section 6.2, quoted above):
ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be
followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"),
underscores ("_"), colons (":"), and periods (".").
Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#h-6.2
Result: I only use A-Za-z for the first character in an ID
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From: Jeff Finlay
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 2:37PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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> And please do tell me WHY it is hardly an ideal online resource in that
> case??
I case I'd worry about the stability of the information over time if it was put
together as a live presentation. Wouldn't be alter it, though, to make it into a
more durable online resource. Jeff
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Mon, Aug 05 2002 4:57PM
Subject: Re: Form Labels & Lift
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#1 is correct:
from http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/types.html#type-name:
ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits
([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"), colons (":"), and periods (".").
8/5/2002 4:25:32 PM, Ali Naito < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>1 - the ID cannot begin with a number (although i saw an example of this on
>w3c.org)
Andrew
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From: Emma Duke-Williams
Date: Tue, Aug 06 2002 1:09AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses... Accessible Powerpoint
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Has anyone tested the Powerpoint Accessibility Wizard from University
of Illinois? I have downloaded it - and it seems to be quite good - but I
have no VI users with which to test it.
Emma
Emma Duke-Williams (Senior Lecturer)
Tel: 023 9284 6441
Department of Information Systems,
University of Portsmouth
Lion Gate Building
Lion Terrace
Portsmouth
Hampshire
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From: Mark Bryant
Date: Tue, Aug 06 2002 10:49AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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Jeff,
As mentioned previously, it wasn't put together as a live presentation, it
was based on a live presentation and was put on the site as a resource for
those that attended the live seminar.
The slides can obviously be updated as needed. We were unsuccessful using
the PPT accessibility program mentioned in the other posts so we added audio
to the slides. If you make it full screen, the slides will even
automatically go to the next slide.
It merely serves as a resource to developers and designers and we know that
it is not the most accessible format. PPT is not the best way to present
information on the web for accessibility reasons and that is why PPT is not
used elsewhere.
If you check out the rest of the site, you will find that is accessible and
meets the current Section 508 and WCAG-II standards. We are always open to
comments or suggestions that might make pages more accessible.
We take pride in the fact that we offer FREE career and computer training
for beginning computer users in both English and Spanish and that we have
made our content accessible to all.
-Mark Bryant
http://www.gcflearnfree.org
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Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
> > And please do tell me WHY it is hardly an ideal online resource in that
> > case??
>
> I case I'd worry about the stability of the information over time if it
was put
> together as a live presentation. Wouldn't be alter it, though, to make it
into a
> more durable online resource. Jeff
>
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From: Anitra Pavka
Date: Tue, Aug 06 2002 12:23PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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Jeff Finlay wrote:
> > What have you found to be inaccessible? What
> > suggestions do you have to make PowerPoint presentations more accessible?
>
> From a general viewpoint (not particular to any kind of disability) in this case
> the presentation immediately broke into a series of confusing frames and I
> couldn't figure out how to get past the first slide. Jeff
My only issue is that the presentation is in a PowerPoint format. Even on my
Windows 2000 machine, I could only access the presentation using Internet Explorer
5.x or higher. I also tried it in Netscape 4.78, Netscape 6.2.3, and Opera 6.04.
In all of these other browsers, I either couldn't get any text to display or I got
an odd outline of the text, but nothing displayed correctly (or at all) in the frame
that contains the slides' content.
The information was interesting, especially the statistics you gathered. I
think it's a real shame that it's limited to users of only a particular browser
base. I worry that *nix users (or others without Internet Explorer based user
agents) may not access this information effectively, or maybe at all. For example,
I tried it out in a recent copy of Mozilla under Linux (RedHat) and got the same
results as when I tried Netscape 6.
Until you can convert it into a more usable/accessible format, I suggest you
warn users it may not work correctly unless they're using a recent version of an
Internet Explorer-based user agent. This way it at least removes the (unpleasant)
element of surprise if the presentation doesn't display correctly.
-- Anitra Pavka
Web Designer & Accessibility Advocate
Accessibility Weblog-> http://www.anitrapavka.com
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From: Mark Bryant
Date: Tue, Aug 06 2002 1:14PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
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Anitra,
Thanks for your feedback. I have implemented your suggestion on the
warning.
-Mark Bryant
http://www.gcflearnfree.org
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Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Courses
> Jeff Finlay wrote:
>
> > > What have you found to be inaccessible? What
> > > suggestions do you have to make PowerPoint presentations more
accessible?
> >
> > From a general viewpoint (not particular to any kind of disability) in
this case
> > the presentation immediately broke into a series of confusing frames and
I
> > couldn't figure out how to get past the first slide. Jeff
>
> My only issue is that the presentation is in a PowerPoint format.
Even on my
> Windows 2000 machine, I could only access the presentation using Internet
Explorer
> 5.x or higher. I also tried it in Netscape 4.78, Netscape 6.2.3, and
Opera 6.04.
> In all of these other browsers, I either couldn't get any text to display
or I got
> an odd outline of the text, but nothing displayed correctly (or at all) in
the frame
> that contains the slides' content.
> The information was interesting, especially the statistics you
gathered. I
> think it's a real shame that it's limited to users of only a particular
browser
> base. I worry that *nix users (or others without Internet Explorer based
user
> agents) may not access this information effectively, or maybe at all. For
example,
> I tried it out in a recent copy of Mozilla under Linux (RedHat) and got
the same
> results as when I tried Netscape 6.
> Until you can convert it into a more usable/accessible format, I
suggest you
> warn users it may not work correctly unless they're using a recent version
of an
> Internet Explorer-based user agent. This way it at least removes the
(unpleasant)
> element of surprise if the presentation doesn't display correctly.
>
>
> -- Anitra Pavka
> Web Designer & Accessibility Advocate
> Accessibility Weblog-> http://www.anitrapavka.com
>
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