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From: Robert Fentress
Date: Thu, Apr 14 2016 8:07AM
Subject: Community for testing widgets
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I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to have a
standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted for
accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every time.
I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they don't
always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the developer has
taken. I've been developing my own widgets for particular needs that arise
at my institution that I wouldn't mind others using, but it would be
helpful if there was a community of people in similar situations who would
help test them out to make sure I haven't overlooked anything from an
accessibility perspective. A couple of times, I have posted links to those
widgets here and have asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing
the limits of what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a
better forum for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've
developed? I would think there are many others who are probably in the
same boat.
Best,
Rob
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Robert Fentress
Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
540.231.1255
Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies
Assistive Technologies
1180 Torgersen Hall
620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
From: bobby accessibility
Date: Thu, Apr 14 2016 9:43AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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Hi Rob,
Greetings
I am with you, if you develop some widgets please share this with me as a
volunteer I love to test this and will give you an accessibility feedback
including its UX.
I trust and believe Good UX should be the goal for any development
/implementation. Our goal is to give a good experience to all our
usersâthat includes people with disabilities. you can reach to me directly
on my mail ID = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
I hope you like the idea.
Best wishes
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to have a
> standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted for
> accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every time.
> I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they don't
> always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the developer has
> taken. I've been developing my own widgets for particular needs that arise
> at my institution that I wouldn't mind others using, but it would be
> helpful if there was a community of people in similar situations who would
> help test them out to make sure I haven't overlooked anything from an
> accessibility perspective. A couple of times, I have posted links to those
> widgets here and have asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing
> the limits of what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a
> better forum for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've
> developed? I would think there are many others who are probably in the
> same boat.
>
> Best,
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Fentress
> Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
> 540.231.1255
>
> Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies
> Assistive Technologies
> 1180 Torgersen Hall
> 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
> Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
> > > > >
From: Sean Murphy
Date: Fri, Apr 15 2016 12:04AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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This sounds like an excellent initiative. As many vendors who create toolkits for the Web seem not to include accessibility from my experience. Would be glad to have a look.
> On 15 Apr 2016, at 12:07 am, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to have a
> standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted for
> accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every time.
> I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they don't
> always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the developer has
> taken. I've been developing my own widgets for particular needs that arise
> at my institution that I wouldn't mind others using, but it would be
> helpful if there was a community of people in similar situations who would
> help test them out to make sure I haven't overlooked anything from an
> accessibility perspective. A couple of times, I have posted links to those
> widgets here and have asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing
> the limits of what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a
> better forum for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've
> developed? I would think there are many others who are probably in the
> same boat.
>
> Best,
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Fentress
> Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
> 540.231.1255
>
> Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies
> Assistive Technologies
> 1180 Torgersen Hall
> 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
> Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
> > > >
From: Don Mauck
Date: Fri, Apr 15 2016 7:12AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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Rob I think this is a good idea, certainly will look and find those previous links you mention.
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From: Sean Murphy [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:05 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Community for testing widgets
This sounds like an excellent initiative. As many vendors who create toolkits for the Web seem not to include accessibility from my experience. Would be glad to have a look.
> On 15 Apr 2016, at 12:07 am, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to
> have a standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted
> for accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every time.
> I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they
> don't always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the
> developer has taken. I've been developing my own widgets for
> particular needs that arise at my institution that I wouldn't mind
> others using, but it would be helpful if there was a community of
> people in similar situations who would help test them out to make sure
> I haven't overlooked anything from an accessibility perspective. A
> couple of times, I have posted links to those widgets here and have
> asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing the limits of
> what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a better forum
> for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've developed? I
> would think there are many others who are probably in the same boat.
>
> Best,
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Fentress
> Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
> 540.231.1255
>
> Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies Assistive
> Technologies
> 1180 Torgersen Hall
> 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
> Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>
From: Robert Fentress
Date: Fri, Apr 15 2016 7:36AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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Thanks, folks. Anyone else who is interested in participating, email me,
and I'll include you. Sounds like the A11Y Project (http://a11yproject.com/)
might have similar goals in mind, though, their decision to manage
contributions with GitHub, Ruby, Jekyl Sass, and Markdown, may be a
disincentive for some. I've just been putting stuff up on CodePen.
Anyway, if you shoot me an email we'll figure something out.
Best,
Rob
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Rob I think this is a good idea, certainly will look and find those
> previous links you mention.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean Murphy [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:05 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Community for testing widgets
>
> This sounds like an excellent initiative. As many vendors who create
> toolkits for the Web seem not to include accessibility from my experience.
> Would be glad to have a look.
> > On 15 Apr 2016, at 12:07 am, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to
> > have a standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted
> > for accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every
> time.
> > I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they
> > don't always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the
> > developer has taken. I've been developing my own widgets for
> > particular needs that arise at my institution that I wouldn't mind
> > others using, but it would be helpful if there was a community of
> > people in similar situations who would help test them out to make sure
> > I haven't overlooked anything from an accessibility perspective. A
> > couple of times, I have posted links to those widgets here and have
> > asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing the limits of
> > what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a better forum
> > for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've developed? I
> > would think there are many others who are probably in the same boat.
> >
> > Best,
> > Rob
> >
> > --
> > Robert Fentress
> > Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
> > 540.231.1255
> >
> > Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies Assistive
> > Technologies
> > 1180 Torgersen Hall
> > 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
> > Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > >
> > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >
--
Robert Fentress
Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
540.231.1255
Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies
Assistive Technologies
1180 Torgersen Hall
620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Fri, Apr 15 2016 11:22AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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Rob, I've been talking about building a site dedicated to just this sort of thing for quite some time. I am going to start today.
At CSUN, Job van Achterberg offered to transfer to me what turns out to be a great domain name for this purpose: practica11y.com. I'm working out the transfer.
I had wanted to get the W3C to build it, because I just can't see big corporations telling their developers to start with the site Cliff built in their search for highly accessible, usable components, but their focus was on policy statements then and is on accessibility tutorials now.
This site would be more line the mechanic's shop guide for accessibilityâlook up what you're trying to fix (login page, navigation tabs, carrousel), look up the manufacturer (HTML, react.js, bootstrap.js, Wordpress, Drupal), filter for other parameters, and quickly discover the details of how to do it right in your situationânot a tutorial, but a code sample or a series of steps to take and variables or settings to adjust.
Of course, there might be more than one right way. If so, you'd be able to learn more about each one and decide which best suits your needs. Jason Kiss recently went through that exercise by asking everyone about date widgets, trying them out, and seeing which worked best for him. If all those widgets had been uploaded to a site like the one I'm going to try to build, then all Jason could have done his task faster. And he could have added his observations to each widget he reviewed so the next person wouldn't have to repeat his work. Even an 8-year-old looking for the best date widget for her first website would have access to that information.
It might be the case that no perfect solution is available. If so, anyone would be able to discover that quickly and know whether they could meet their need by improving a known widget or would have to start from the beginning to create one of their own.
Make that person part of a project team, and in 10 minutes they would have discovered which of these situations they and their team faced:
' The best solution existsâin fact, we just need to make use of another feature in the Javascript we're already loading.
' One or more promising solutions are out there, but none do exactly what we need to doâat least not in a highly accessible way. To improve the most promising one will take 2 weeks. We should make this a deliverable for the next sprint, not the current one.
' Nothing like this has been done before. We need to bump this back to next quarter. We might even have to push it back to the next major release.
With that kind of information available more often, project managers might actually consider accessibility to be something they could manage, not their project's pit of doom.
I'll let you know more soon.
Cliff
Cliff Tyllick
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Department of Aging and Disability Services
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> On Apr 15, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Thanks, folks. Anyone else who is interested in participating, email me,
> and I'll include you. Sounds like the A11Y Project (http://a11yproject.com/)
> might have similar goals in mind, though, their decision to manage
> contributions with GitHub, Ruby, Jekyl Sass, and Markdown, may be a
> disincentive for some. I've just been putting stuff up on CodePen.
> Anyway, if you shoot me an email we'll figure something out.
>
> Best,
> Rob
>
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Don Mauck < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Rob I think this is a good idea, certainly will look and find those
>> previous links you mention.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean Murphy [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:05 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Community for testing widgets
>>
>> This sounds like an excellent initiative. As many vendors who create
>> toolkits for the Web seem not to include accessibility from my experience.
>> Would be glad to have a look.
>>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 12:07 am, Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>
>>> I've heard some folks mention previously that it would be useful to
>>> have a standard set of interactive widgets that had been pre-vetted
>>> for accessibility, so that folks didn't have to reinvent the wheel every
>> time.
>>> I know that others have developed libraries of such widgets, but they
>>> don't always meet my needs or I may disagree with the approach the
>>> developer has taken. I've been developing my own widgets for
>>> particular needs that arise at my institution that I wouldn't mind
>>> others using, but it would be helpful if there was a community of
>>> people in similar situations who would help test them out to make sure
>>> I haven't overlooked anything from an accessibility perspective. A
>>> couple of times, I have posted links to those widgets here and have
>>> asked for feedback, but I feel like I may be pushing the limits of
>>> what this list is for. Does anybody know if there is a better forum
>>> for getting this sort of feedback on widgets you've developed? I
>>> would think there are many others who are probably in the same boat.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert Fentress
>>> Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
>>> 540.231.1255
>>>
>>> Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies Assistive
>>> Technologies
>>> 1180 Torgersen Hall
>>> 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
>>> Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>
>> >> >> at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >> >> >> >> >
>
>
> --
> Robert Fentress
> Senior Accessibility Solutions Designer
> 540.231.1255
>
> Technology-enhanced Learning & Online Strategies
> Assistive Technologies
> 1180 Torgersen Hall
> 620 Drillfield Drive (0434)
> Blacksburg, Virginia 24061
> > > >
From: Jennifer Sutton
Date: Fri, Apr 15 2016 8:57PM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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I thought some who are interested in this kind of effort might like to
contribute to this project that WAI has underway. See:
https://www.w3.org/blog/wai-components-gallery/
It's ironic that this just happened across my Twitter path, isn't it?
Jennifer
From: Shadi Abou-Zahra
Date: Sat, Apr 16 2016 3:16AM
Subject: Re: Community for testing widgets
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Thank you for pointing out this draft resource, Jennifer.
Indeed, WAI is working on a community-driven list of UI components to
help circulate and share the already existing efforts out there. That
is, to link to existing work rather than to host it centrally.
Currently we are still working on the interface design, and we are not
yet ready for new submissions. However, please contact Eric (CC'ed) or
me if you would like to contribute. Comments are always welcome but we
will announce a broader invitation when the resource is more mature.
Best,
Shadi
On 16.4.2016 04:57, Jennifer Sutton wrote:
> I thought some who are interested in this kind of effort might like to
> contribute to this project that WAI has underway. See:
> https://www.w3.org/blog/wai-components-gallery/
>
> It's ironic that this just happened across my Twitter path, isn't it?
>
> Jennifer
> > > > --
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)