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From: shankar shan
Date: Fri, Jul 01 2016 8:57PM
Subject: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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friends, greetings.
many people assisting me to grow me in accessibility feeld. thanks for
all your support
as I am new to accessibility testing, I have few questions
I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based computers using narrator.
1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
app complaints.
hope some 1 assist me in this.
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From: Sean Murphy
Date: Sat, Jul 02 2016 12:53AM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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Hi,
1. the focus moves between controls like buttons, edit, etc by using the tab or shift tab in desktop applications. Visually it has a dotted rectangle around it. The rectangle could be different depending on the program. Basically the focus is the point of the program where you perform an action like canceling a dialog, editing information, etc.
2. The cursor (caret) is a blinking symbol that is used when editing documents, in edit fields or any other area that excepts inputs. caret is control by using the arrow keys, page up, page down, end and home. The mouse cursor is control my the mouse or trackpad. Used to move items around on the screen, select buttons from toolbar, draw and a range of other actions.
3. The best way to determine if it is an application issue is to remove the use of the assistive technology like Narrator and see if the same problem occurs. For example: You are selecting text via the keyboard and it does not work when you have narrator. When narrator is not present, the same keys work. Basically trial and error. If a screen reader lands on a button and the user only hears button. Then this is an iusse with the application not having correct labels. Using a different screen reader like Jaws and NVDA can confirm this.
I hope the examples and tips helps. Experience leans a lot towards known when it is an application or screen reader issue. I would suggest testing with another screen reader as Narrator is not feature rich yet.
Sean
> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:57 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> friends, greetings.
> many people assisting me to grow me in accessibility feeld. thanks for
> all your support
> as I am new to accessibility testing, I have few questions
> I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based computers using narrator.
>
> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
> app complaints.
> hope some 1 assist me in this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> mobile: +91 9599194749
> whats app: +91 7795927572
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> Thanks and regards
> Shankar
> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
> > > >
From: shankar shan
Date: Sat, Jul 02 2016 8:00AM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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Sean, thanks for the quick response.
I just understood the tips and examples which you described here.
but, my question is, is there any specific tool to describe the user
interface of the particular app?
some time, the narrator does not speak the pains on the online or web
interface apps
possible, if you installed windows ten, and, if you have some idea
about narrator, try to explain me about the scann mode. and where i
can use it
sorry for bothering you again and again
On 7/2/16, Sean Murphy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> 1. the focus moves between controls like buttons, edit, etc by using the tab
> or shift tab in desktop applications. Visually it has a dotted rectangle
> around it. The rectangle could be different depending on the program.
> Basically the focus is the point of the program where you perform an action
> like canceling a dialog, editing information, etc.
> 2. The cursor (caret) is a blinking symbol that is used when editing
> documents, in edit fields or any other area that excepts inputs. caret is
> control by using the arrow keys, page up, page down, end and home. The mouse
> cursor is control my the mouse or trackpad. Used to move items around on the
> screen, select buttons from toolbar, draw and a range of other actions.
> 3. The best way to determine if it is an application issue is to remove the
> use of the assistive technology like Narrator and see if the same problem
> occurs. For example: You are selecting text via the keyboard and it does not
> work when you have narrator. When narrator is not present, the same keys
> work. Basically trial and error. If a screen reader lands on a button and
> the user only hears button. Then this is an iusse with the application not
> having correct labels. Using a different screen reader like Jaws and NVDA
> can confirm this.
>
> I hope the examples and tips helps. Experience leans a lot towards known
> when it is an application or screen reader issue. I would suggest testing
> with another screen reader as Narrator is not feature rich yet.
>
> Sean
>
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:57 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> friends, greetings.
>> many people assisting me to grow me in accessibility feeld. thanks for
>> all your support
>> as I am new to accessibility testing, I have few questions
>> I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based computers using
>> narrator.
>>
>> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
>> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
>> app complaints.
>> hope some 1 assist me in this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
>> mobile: +91 9599194749
>> whats app: +91 7795927572
>> skype: Shankar.a
>> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Thanks and regards
>> Shankar
>> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
>> >> >> >> >
> > > > >
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*****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
From: Léonie Watson
Date: Sat, Jul 02 2016 2:14PM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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On 02/07/2016 03:57, shankar shan wrote:
> I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based computers using narrator.
>
> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
Focus is when you move to an object using the keyboard or touch. If you
use the tab key, you will move focus from one object to the next within
the app. If you single tap an object you will move focus to it.
The Narrator cursor is where Narrator is currently doing something. For
example, if you use Narrator to read some text one word at a time, this
moves the Narrator cursor to each word in turn. You can then do things
like tell Narrator to read from the Narrator cursor to the end of the
document.
The system cursor is usually the same as the focus point. The mouse
cursor is wherever the mouse pointer is located.
> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
> app complaints.
Can you give an example?
When the Windows 10 anniversary edition is released (sometime in July),
it will include Narrator Developer Mode. There is a demo available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ-4AVxAIsc
This will help with accessibility testing apps with Narrator.
Léonie.
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From: shankar shan
Date: Sat, Jul 02 2016 10:31PM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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example, microsoft one note online app
On 7/3/16, Léonie Watson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>
> On 02/07/2016 03:57, shankar shan wrote:
>> I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based computers using
>> narrator.
>>
>> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
>
> Focus is when you move to an object using the keyboard or touch. If you
> use the tab key, you will move focus from one object to the next within
> the app. If you single tap an object you will move focus to it.
>
> The Narrator cursor is where Narrator is currently doing something. For
> example, if you use Narrator to read some text one word at a time, this
> moves the Narrator cursor to each word in turn. You can then do things
> like tell Narrator to read from the Narrator cursor to the end of the
> document.
>
> The system cursor is usually the same as the focus point. The mouse
> cursor is wherever the mouse pointer is located.
>
>> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
>> app complaints.
>
> Can you give an example?
>
> When the Windows 10 anniversary edition is released (sometime in July),
> it will include Narrator Developer Mode. There is a demo available here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ-4AVxAIsc
>
> This will help with accessibility testing apps with Narrator.
>
> Léonie.
> --
> @LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
> > > > >
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From: Lovely, Brian (CONT)
Date: Tue, Jul 05 2016 6:49AM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things aboutaccessibility
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Shankar,
Are you asking about error messages, and whether they are coming from the screen reader (JAWS or NVDA, for instance) or the app that is being read out?
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Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
Sean, thanks for the quick response.
I just understood the tips and examples which you described here.
but, my question is, is there any specific tool to describe the user interface of the particular app?
some time, the narrator does not speak the pains on the online or web interface apps
possible, if you installed windows ten, and, if you have some idea about narrator, try to explain me about the scann mode. and where i can use it
sorry for bothering you again and again
On 7/2/16, Sean Murphy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> 1. the focus moves between controls like buttons, edit, etc by using
> the tab or shift tab in desktop applications. Visually it has a dotted
> rectangle around it. The rectangle could be different depending on the program.
> Basically the focus is the point of the program where you perform an
> action like canceling a dialog, editing information, etc.
> 2. The cursor (caret) is a blinking symbol that is used when editing
> documents, in edit fields or any other area that excepts inputs. caret
> is control by using the arrow keys, page up, page down, end and home.
> The mouse cursor is control my the mouse or trackpad. Used to move
> items around on the screen, select buttons from toolbar, draw and a range of other actions.
> 3. The best way to determine if it is an application issue is to
> remove the use of the assistive technology like Narrator and see if
> the same problem occurs. For example: You are selecting text via the
> keyboard and it does not work when you have narrator. When narrator is
> not present, the same keys work. Basically trial and error. If a
> screen reader lands on a button and the user only hears button. Then
> this is an iusse with the application not having correct labels. Using
> a different screen reader like Jaws and NVDA can confirm this.
>
> I hope the examples and tips helps. Experience leans a lot towards
> known when it is an application or screen reader issue. I would
> suggest testing with another screen reader as Narrator is not feature rich yet.
>
> Sean
>
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:57 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> friends, greetings.
>> many people assisting me to grow me in accessibility feeld. thanks
>> for all your support as I am new to accessibility testing, I have few
>> questions I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based
>> computers using narrator.
>>
>> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
>> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
>> app complaints.
>> hope some 1 assist me in this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
>> mobile: +91 9599194749
>> whats app: +91 7795927572
>> skype: Shankar.a
>> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Thanks and regards
>> Shankar
>> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
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From: shankar shan
Date: Thu, Jul 07 2016 3:58PM
Subject: Re: [WebAim] clarification required for few things about accessibility
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no no no
for example, I am testing the one note online app, and when ever i
focus some elements on the app and if i move using tab and shift tab,
my focus automatically moves towards some other sections
On 7/5/16, Lovely, Brian (CONT) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Shankar,
>
> Are you asking about error messages, and whether they are coming from the
> screen reader (JAWS or NVDA, for instance) or the app that is being read
> out?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of shankar shan
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:01 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [WebAim] clarification required for few things about
> accessibility
>
> Sean, thanks for the quick response.
> I just understood the tips and examples which you described here.
>
> but, my question is, is there any specific tool to describe the user
> interface of the particular app?
> some time, the narrator does not speak the pains on the online or web
> interface apps
>
>
> possible, if you installed windows ten, and, if you have some idea about
> narrator, try to explain me about the scann mode. and where i can use it
>
> sorry for bothering you again and again
>
>
>
> On 7/2/16, Sean Murphy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> 1. the focus moves between controls like buttons, edit, etc by using
>> the tab or shift tab in desktop applications. Visually it has a dotted
>> rectangle around it. The rectangle could be different depending on the
>> program.
>> Basically the focus is the point of the program where you perform an
>> action like canceling a dialog, editing information, etc.
>> 2. The cursor (caret) is a blinking symbol that is used when editing
>> documents, in edit fields or any other area that excepts inputs. caret
>> is control by using the arrow keys, page up, page down, end and home.
>> The mouse cursor is control my the mouse or trackpad. Used to move
>> items around on the screen, select buttons from toolbar, draw and a range
>> of other actions.
>> 3. The best way to determine if it is an application issue is to
>> remove the use of the assistive technology like Narrator and see if
>> the same problem occurs. For example: You are selecting text via the
>> keyboard and it does not work when you have narrator. When narrator is
>> not present, the same keys work. Basically trial and error. If a
>> screen reader lands on a button and the user only hears button. Then
>> this is an iusse with the application not having correct labels. Using
>> a different screen reader like Jaws and NVDA can confirm this.
>>
>> I hope the examples and tips helps. Experience leans a lot towards
>> known when it is an application or screen reader issue. I would
>> suggest testing with another screen reader as Narrator is not feature rich
>> yet.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:57 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> friends, greetings.
>>> many people assisting me to grow me in accessibility feeld. thanks
>>> for all your support as I am new to accessibility testing, I have few
>>> questions I am testing microsoft one note app on windows based
>>> computers using narrator.
>>>
>>> 1. what is the difference between the focus and the cursore position.
>>> 2. how can I differinsiat between screen reader complaints annd the
>>> app complaints.
>>> hope some 1 assist me in this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
>>> mobile: +91 9599194749
>>> whats app: +91 7795927572
>>> skype: Shankar.a
>>> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>> Thanks and regards
>>> Shankar
>>> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
>
>
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> Thanks and regards
> Shankar
> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > >
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