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Re: JAWS Accordion test


From: Randall Pope
Date: Mar 23, 2009 10:50AM

Hi All,

For those who are using screen reader, can you give me your insight in the
JAWS Accordion test, while using a refreshing braille display on computers,
and notetakers such as BrailleNote? I have deafblind people who cannot hear
but depend on braille to read the content. Many thanks.

With Warm Regards,
Randall "Randy" Pope
American Association of the Deaf-Blind
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:25 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS Accordion test

On the accordian menus, I'm a complete novice so bear with me. I heard
the link but did not click because I assume, just by thinking of an
accordian, that once my curser passes over the link, the content
opens, and thats where I read the nursery rhyme. Do I have that
correct? I knew what I was trying to test though, so If I didn't know
it was an ccordian menu and I clicked on the link and nothing
happened, I'd just arrow down farther and then discover the text. This
happens quite often on some pages. If I click a link and nothing
happens, I assume its some fancy programming and arrow down further.

As for skip to content links, I'm having no luck with those. I don't
know if itsa a Voiceover thing so I've actually got a question out to
my Apple guru with regards to these. These links never do anything.

As far as the question about Jaws reading a whole page, In Voiceover I
have that option if I want, but I never use it. I prefer to go find
stuff on my own. As for right now, I just arrow through pages. I
haven't mastered navigation by header yet. On pages I'm familiar with,
this is not a problem. Voicover gives me blips and blurps when it goes
past lines and paragraphs, so I just have those sounds memorized so I
know how far to arrow down. I don't know if that helps, but thats how
I've been doing it. I need to learn header navigation though, as I'm
sure it will speed things up.

Thanks for including me in this one. Most of your discussions go right
over my head so I like ones I understand hehe.


On 3/23/09, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> In my experience they read one line at a time, although they may use other
> strategies in addition, such as using the links list, heading list or
> jumping to headings.
> 'SayAll' mode, which is the mode where JAWS reads continuously, is not
> particularly useful for most tasks because the semantic structure is not
> read out in this mode and it is impossible to build a mental model of the
> page. It is really only useful for reading large blocks of text, but even
> then I have not seen anyone use it.
> To a large extent I expect it depends how the user was trained, and maybe
> someone who has not received any training may tend to use it more because
> JAWS switches to SayAll mode each time a new page loads.
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Al Sparber
> Sent: 23 March 2009 15:38
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS Accordion test
> If it were a widget that could only be used as a menu, I'd agree
> unequivocally. However, the dominant use for an accordion widget is as a
> means to visually compress content. So the objective was to uncompress
> things for assistive reader users to a normal page-state. If deployed as a
> menu, or as a hybrid with content and link lists, then a designer could
> introduce skip and skip-to links in appropriate spots.
> I have another question (perhaps Randi can weigh in, too). As a
> in the field, how do most JAWS users prefer to listen to a page? On the
> first pass, for instance, do they simply let JAWS recite what it can
> contiguously--or, do they tend to stop JAWS and use their navigation keys
> read one line at a time?
> --
> Al Sparber - PVII
> http://www.projectseven.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priti Rohra" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Hi Al,
>> Well I have a totally different idea, why not let it work the same way
>> screen reader users as it does for sighted individuals.
>> JAWS does identify it as "same page link", let users click on the link
>> read the information thus displayed rather then making it available as
>> expanded menu in the first place.
>> This will avoid the confusion and the content will function uniformly for
>> all users. Currently it is making the information available to screen
>> reader
>> users irrespective of the user's decision to click on the link.
>> I don't agree with the opinion of setting the href value to empty.
>> Consider a situation, where in accordion menus are used to present
>> drop-down
>> menus for a website navigation, and all the sub-menus are read out for
>> screen reader users. How usable will it for screen reader users? They
>> have no option to skip pass to the current menu and access the next