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Re: A List of Form Elements?

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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Mar 14, 2012 3:51PM

I'll also add that if radio/checkboxes are correctly grouped together
via the name attribute, a screen reader will say how many are in the
group.

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Ryan E. Benson



On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Yes it does - even more so. Radio buttons are already semantically grouped
> by means of their attributes, so adding list markup is even less appropriate
> (if less than zero is possible) than it is for textboxes. <form> and
> <fieldset> elements are all that is needed.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Lewis, Sunshine
> T.
> Sent: 14 March 2012 17:37
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] A List of Form Elements?
>
> Does the dislike of lists for forms also apply to lists for checkboxes and
> radio buttons?
> <fieldset><legend>
> <ul>
> <li><input ></li>
> <li><input ></li>
> </ul>
> </fieldset>
>
> Markup seems semantically appropriate to me but I'm curious if that would
> introduce the same issues?
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Green [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] A List of Form Elements?
>
> I am also totally opposed to the use of lists for forms. It's semantically
> incorrect and it's an appalling user experience for screen reader users -
> the additional verbiage decreases comprehensibility rather than increasing
> it.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jennifer Sutton
> Sent: 13 March 2012 00:43
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] A List of Form Elements?
>
> I'm not a fan of list-items in forms, either. I've rarely seen it done and
> have often argued against it.  When I'm in a form, I find the indication of
> list-items distracting and disorienting from the task at hand.  Honestly, it
> just feels semantically wrong to me.
>
> Jennifer
>
> At 04:18 PM 3/12/2012, you wrote:
>>I'm not a fan of lists to differentiate form items. You adequately note
>
>>the disadvantages, which I think outweigh any perceived benefits.
>>In most cases, the form is navigated from form control to form control
>>anyway (i.e., hitting the Tab key), so the only real advantage (that
>>the number of items is identified) often doesn't occur anyway.
>>
>>The <div> markup could probably be simplified even more with <form
>>class="aform"> <div>...<label>...<input>...</div>
>></form>
>>and
>>.aform div { }
>>to define the necessary styling.
>>
>>Jared Smith
>>WebAIM.org
>>