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Re: Any problems with placing headings inside legends?

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From: Steve Green
Date: Aug 5, 2012 10:13PM

I don't like this approach at all. The first step should be to apply the
correct semantic structure (fieldset, legend etc) and then use ARIA if the
content is not accessible for some reason.

I also disagree with the assertion that "group/radiogroup are better
supported across browsers and screen readers than fieldset/legend". That
may be the case for new browsers and AT versions (although that sounds
improbable) but it is definitely not the case for older versions. And I am
talking about versions that are only 3 or 4 years old and still in
widespread use.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
Sent: 03 August 2012 03:31
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Any problems with placing headings inside legends?

Paul,
Right,
One uses heading navigation to understand the structure and organization of
content ... a form in this case.
And when one uses form navigation, the heading markup is of no significance.
The legend markup kicks in to announce which fields are grouped by the
common label i.e. legend.
But my point is group/radiogroup are better supported across browsers and
screen readers than fieldset/legend and offer improved flexibility to the
developer too for managing presentation.
Ref. http://www.deque.com/aria-group-viable-alternative-fieldset-legend
Sailesh


On 8/2/12, Paul J. Adam < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> In my test on OS X, VoiceOver did not say it was a heading when
> navigating between the fieldset controls. It only said that when
> focused on the legend text or using heading navigation to jump
> directly to the legend. So no extra noise, I also tested in latest
> versions of NVDA/JAWS/IE/FF and no extra noise.
>
> So I guess I don't see any problems with this. Seems to me it only
> enhances the accessibility of a large form.
>
> Paul J. Adam
> Accessibility Evangelist
> Deque Systems
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> www.PaulJAdam.com
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> On Aug 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "Corbett, James"
> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Wouldn't that fail on 1.3.1 Info and Relationships?
>>
>> ...and if and when HJ resolves the issue with field sets / legends I
>> personally wouldn't want to hear H1 blah blah Date of Birth each time
>> I'm tabbing between the controls within the fieldset.
>>
>> Jim
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Paul J.
>> Adam
>> Sent: August 2, 2012 2:11 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Any problems with placing headings inside legends?
>>
>> To improve accessible navigation of forms? Does HTML validation
>> really matter in this situation?
>>
>> Don't see any problems from a quick test on OS X and VoiceOver/Safari.
>>
>> Paul J. Adam
>> Accessibility Evangelist
>> Deque Systems
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