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From: Gijs Veyfeyken
Date: Jan 23, 2013 4:03AM

Thank you Duff. You've pointed me in the right direction.

InDesign automatically assigns a language to a paragraph style.
Since my version of InDesign is English, it's set to English UK.

Screenshot dialog Paragraph Style Options > tab Advanced Character Formats
http://images.anysurfer.be/2013-01-23_09-10-07.png

If I open a new document and set the language of the default "basic paragraph" to Dutch,
all other paragraph styles created from that point on, will adopt this setting because they are based on the "basic paragraph".

The items in the content pane of Acrobat now have the correct language property.
Screenshot: http://images.anysurfer.be/Screen_Shot_2013-01-23_at_11.44.20.png

In conclusion:
According to Adobe, setting the language of the PDF on the document level in Acrobat, should do the trick.
This is false. The language properties on content level overrides the language on document level.
As always, making sure the source document is correct (in this case the language of Paragraph Styles in InDesign) avoids problems later on.

Kind regards,

Gijs

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> 4. PDF language not recognized by screenreaders (Gijs Veyfeyken)
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> 9. GIS (Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO)
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> From: "Robert Jaquiss" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
> Date: 22 januari 2013 00:07:00 CET
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>
> Hello:
>
> The audio Graphing Calculator (AGC) from ViewPlus Technologies is only
> useful for displaying graphs generated by equations or for displaying data
> points.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jake Joehl
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:10 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
> What about the Audio Graphing Calculator from Viewplus Technologies?
> I've never used it but I've heard it demonstrated. Would this be another
> alternative?
> Jake
> Original message:
>> Hello:
>
>> Providing map data accessibly is a big subject. The closest solution
>> there is for this problem comes from ViewPlus Technologies. Their website
>> is: www.viewplus.com A Tiger embosser is used to emboss a paper copy of
> the
>> map. A few braille labels can be placed on a braille map. It is possible
>> with lots of work to use a touch tablet so users can touch a place on a
> map
>> and hear what they have touched. It is possible for a user to zoom in a
> map
>> by specifying a region, and then have the Tiger print out that region in a
>> full page version. This process can iterate several times.
>
>> Another possible solution is available from Touch Graphics. Their web
>> site is www.touchgraphics.com. The TouchGraphics system uses vacuum formed
>> plastic maps and either a touch tablet or pen to provide the user
>> information. The Touch Graphics approach is only useful if many copies of
>> the same image will be needed. You may contact me off list for more
>> information.
>
>> Regards,
>
>> Robert
>
>> Robert Jaquiss
>> Email: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of COLLIER, Jason
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:08 PM
>> To: ' <EMAIL REMOVED> '
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
>> Hi,
>
>> Where I work we have lots of geographical maps that contain a lot of data.
>> Does anyone know about best practices for providing an alternative format
>> for maps?
>
>> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>> Jason Collier
>> Website Project Officer. Communications and Marketing Department of Mines
>> and Petroleum
>> 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004
>> Postal: 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004 Tel +61 8 9222 3070
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> From: "Ron Stewart" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
> Date: 22 januari 2013 03:34:04 CET
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>
> I would also look at the Phoenix from Enabling Technologies and MathTrax
> which is a free product. It really depends on what you are trying to
> accomplish, there is no silver bullet here. ViewPlus is having some
> organizational problems that at this point are causing me to recommend not
> going with their solutions. They are good, and I had a bit to do with some
> of their development so this is somewhat hard to say.
>
> Ron Stewart
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Robert Jaquiss
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
> Hello:
>
> The audio Graphing Calculator (AGC) from ViewPlus Technologies is only
> useful for displaying graphs generated by equations or for displaying data
> points.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jake Joehl
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:10 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
> What about the Audio Graphing Calculator from Viewplus Technologies?
> I've never used it but I've heard it demonstrated. Would this be another
> alternative?
> Jake
> Original message:
>> Hello:
>
>> Providing map data accessibly is a big subject. The closest
>> solution there is for this problem comes from ViewPlus Technologies.
>> Their website
>> is: www.viewplus.com A Tiger embosser is used to emboss a paper copy
>> of
> the
>> map. A few braille labels can be placed on a braille map. It is
>> possible with lots of work to use a touch tablet so users can touch a
>> place on a
> map
>> and hear what they have touched. It is possible for a user to zoom in
>> a
> map
>> by specifying a region, and then have the Tiger print out that region
>> in a full page version. This process can iterate several times.
>
>> Another possible solution is available from Touch Graphics. Their
>> web site is www.touchgraphics.com. The TouchGraphics system uses
>> vacuum formed plastic maps and either a touch tablet or pen to provide
>> the user information. The Touch Graphics approach is only useful if
>> many copies of the same image will be needed. You may contact me off
>> list for more information.
>
>> Regards,
>
>> Robert
>
>> Robert Jaquiss
>> Email: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of COLLIER,
>> Jason
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:08 PM
>> To: ' <EMAIL REMOVED> '
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
>> Hi,
>
>> Where I work we have lots of geographical maps that contain a lot of data.
>> Does anyone know about best practices for providing an alternative
>> format for maps?
>
>> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>> Jason Collier
>> Website Project Officer. Communications and Marketing Department of
>> Mines and Petroleum
>> 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004
>> Postal: 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004 Tel +61 8 9222 3070
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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> From: "Birkir R. Gunnarsson" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
> Date: 22 januari 2013 12:09:19 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> Hey gang
>
> I'm practicing my ARIA, but also continuing my website testing and so on.
> I have come across one situation, whose solution is not immediately
> obvious to me.
> On the page:
> http://www.islandsbanki.is
> (sorry, it is all in Icelandic, I know)
> there is an h2 headings that says "fréttir", which means (news.
> Underneath that heading is a list of two links:
> Frettir
> Greinar
> (greinar = articles).
> Below that is an area of a website with 3 to 4 stories )visually it is
> probably a payne).
> When you activate "fréttir" you get news stories, but when you
> activate "greinar" the content of that panel changes to a different
> set of stories (articles/analytics).
> I am still trying to decide what would be the best way to notify
> screen readers of either the currently active content (is it fréttir
> or greinar), obviously putting a heading on the section with the
> stories would be one way to go.
> Also how to notify screen readers when
> "content updated to greinar"
> or
> "content updated to Frettir".
> I would imagine ARIA live regions would be the ideal way to do this,
> but still can't find an example that closely enough matches this
> situation.
> I am increasingly seeing this type of displaying content, and I find
> it quite convenient as a screen reader user, as long as I follow the
> internal page updates easily.
> So any ideas, suggestions or pointers to a very similar example welcome.
> Cheers
> -B
>
>
>
>
> From: Gijs Veyfeyken < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] PDF language not recognized by screenreaders
> Date: 22 januari 2013 12:58:21 CET
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> By following Adobe's guidelines for creating accessible PDF's with InDesign (CS6), I get a perfectly tagged and structured PDF with minimal effort.
> There is only one thing I cannot fix. Getting screenreaders (I tested with Jaws & NVDA) to read the PDF in the specified language (Dutch).
>
> In Acrobat Pro X, I manually set the language to "Dutch" in the document properties.
> Screenshot: http://images.anysurfer.be/2013-01-22_09-54-38.png
>
> In the tags tree in Acrobat, I've deleted the language property "en-GB" on the root tag <document> which is assigned by InDesign automatically.
> Screenshot: http://images.anysurfer.be/2013-01-22_09-53-51.png
>
> Still, NVDA reads the PDF in English. Jaws starts the PDF by saying "American English", then reads it in Dutch.
> Does that mean there are other hidden language attributes automatically set to English that I need to delete?
> Am I missing something or is this a screenreader problem?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gijs Veyfeyken
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
> Date: 22 januari 2013 13:13:51 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> This content is in a tabbed interface. WAI-ARIA has 'tab' and 'tabpanel' roles precisely for this sort of content. I have not tested this with a screen reader so I don't know how useful these roles are in practice.
>
> Steve Green
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ] on behalf of Birkir R. Gunnarsson [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: 22 January 2013 11:09
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
>
> Hey gang
>
> I'm practicing my ARIA, but also continuing my website testing and so on.
> I have come across one situation, whose solution is not immediately
> obvious to me.
> On the page:
> http://www.islandsbanki.is
> (sorry, it is all in Icelandic, I know)
> there is an h2 headings that says "fréttir", which means (news.
> Underneath that heading is a list of two links:
> Frettir
> Greinar
> (greinar = articles).
> Below that is an area of a website with 3 to 4 stories )visually it is
> probably a payne).
> When you activate "fréttir" you get news stories, but when you
> activate "greinar" the content of that panel changes to a different
> set of stories (articles/analytics).
> I am still trying to decide what would be the best way to notify
> screen readers of either the currently active content (is it fréttir
> or greinar), obviously putting a heading on the section with the
> stories would be one way to go.
> Also how to notify screen readers when
> "content updated to greinar"
> or
> "content updated to Frettir".
> I would imagine ARIA live regions would be the ideal way to do this,
> but still can't find an example that closely enough matches this
> situation.
> I am increasingly seeing this type of displaying content, and I find
> it quite convenient as a screen reader user, as long as I follow the
> internal page updates easily.
> So any ideas, suggestions or pointers to a very similar example welcome.
> Cheers
> -B
> > > >
>
>
>
> From: Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
> Date: 22 januari 2013 13:20:35 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> Here is the relevant section of the ARIA specification.
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-wai-aria-20110118/roles#tabpanel
>
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ] on behalf of Steve Green [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:13
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
>
> This content is in a tabbed interface. WAI-ARIA has 'tab' and 'tabpanel' roles precisely for this sort of content. I have not tested this with a screen reader so I don't know how useful these roles are in practice.
>
> Steve Green
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ] on behalf of Birkir R. Gunnarsson [ <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: 22 January 2013 11:09
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] How best to notify screen readers of updated section of page (aria live regions?)
>
> Hey gang
>
> I'm practicing my ARIA, but also continuing my website testing and so on.
> I have come across one situation, whose solution is not immediately
> obvious to me.
> On the page:
> http://www.islandsbanki.is
> (sorry, it is all in Icelandic, I know)
> there is an h2 headings that says "fréttir", which means (news.
> Underneath that heading is a list of two links:
> Frettir
> Greinar
> (greinar = articles).
> Below that is an area of a website with 3 to 4 stories )visually it is
> probably a payne).
> When you activate "fréttir" you get news stories, but when you
> activate "greinar" the content of that panel changes to a different
> set of stories (articles/analytics).
> I am still trying to decide what would be the best way to notify
> screen readers of either the currently active content (is it fréttir
> or greinar), obviously putting a heading on the section with the
> stories would be one way to go.
> Also how to notify screen readers when
> "content updated to greinar"
> or
> "content updated to Frettir".
> I would imagine ARIA live regions would be the ideal way to do this,
> but still can't find an example that closely enough matches this
> situation.
> I am increasingly seeing this type of displaying content, and I find
> it quite convenient as a screen reader user, as long as I follow the
> internal page updates easily.
> So any ideas, suggestions or pointers to a very similar example welcome.
> Cheers
> -B
> > > > > > >
>
>
>
> From: Duff Johnson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF language not recognized by screenreaders
> Date: 22 januari 2013 15:19:17 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> Gijs,
>
> If the content itself (as opposed to the tags) has a language attribute your AT may be reading it.
>
> To discover if such attributes are present, go to the "Content" tab in Acrobat Professional. Within a content container, select a text run. Get that object's properties and you'll see whether or not a language was set.
>
> This screen-shot shows the relevant dialog in Acrobat.
>
> http://duff-johnson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/content-language.png
>
> If you find the content's (as opposed to the tag's) language attribute has been set to English then this is your problem as it will override the tags (with some software). Content attributes should be manageable in InDesign.
>
> I'd love to know what you find...
>
> Duff Johnson
>
> ISO 32000 Intl. Project Co-Leader, US Chairman
> ISO 14289 US Chairman
> PDF Association Vice-Chairman
>
> +1 617 283 4226
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> http://duff-johnson.com
>
>
>
>
> From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
> Date: 22 januari 2013 18:01:55 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc: "Meacham, Steve - FSA, Kansas City, MO" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>
>
> Do any of you know accessibility aids or workarounds for dealing with GIS (Geospatial Information Systems)?
>
> Susie Stanzel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Robert Jaquiss
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
> Hello:
>
> The audio Graphing Calculator (AGC) from ViewPlus Technologies is only useful for displaying graphs generated by equations or for displaying data points.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jake Joehl
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:10 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
> What about the Audio Graphing Calculator from Viewplus Technologies?
> I've never used it but I've heard it demonstrated. Would this be another alternative?
> Jake
> Original message:
>> Hello:
>
>> Providing map data accessibly is a big subject. The closest
>> solution there is for this problem comes from ViewPlus Technologies.
>> Their website
>> is: www.viewplus.com A Tiger embosser is used to emboss a paper copy
>> of
> the
>> map. A few braille labels can be placed on a braille map. It is
>> possible with lots of work to use a touch tablet so users can touch a
>> place on a
> map
>> and hear what they have touched. It is possible for a user to zoom in
>> a
> map
>> by specifying a region, and then have the Tiger print out that region
>> in a full page version. This process can iterate several times.
>
>> Another possible solution is available from Touch Graphics. Their
>> web site is www.touchgraphics.com. The TouchGraphics system uses
>> vacuum formed plastic maps and either a touch tablet or pen to provide
>> the user information. The Touch Graphics approach is only useful if
>> many copies of the same image will be needed. You may contact me off
>> list for more information.
>
>> Regards,
>
>> Robert
>
>> Robert Jaquiss
>> Email: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of COLLIER,
>> Jason
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 7:08 PM
>> To: ' <EMAIL REMOVED> '
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessibility and geographical maps
>
>> Hi,
>
>> Where I work we have lots of geographical maps that contain a lot of data.
>> Does anyone know about best practices for providing an alternative
>> format for maps?
>
>> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>> Jason Collier
>> Website Project Officer. Communications and Marketing Department of
>> Mines and Petroleum
>> 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004
>> Postal: 100 Plain Street, East Perth, WA, 6004 Tel +61 8 9222 3070
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> www.dmp.wa.gov.au<;http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/>;
>
>
>> DISCLAIMER: This email, including any attachments, is intended only
>> for
> use
>> by the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or personal
> information
>> and may also be the subject of legal privilege.
>> If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use
>> the information contained in it.
>> In this case, please let me know by return email, delete the message
>> permanently from your system and destroy any copies.
>
>> Before you take any action based upon advice and/or information
>> contained
> in
>> this email you should carefully consider the advice and information
>> and consider obtaining relevant independent advice.
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>
>> >> >> list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
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> From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] GIS
> Date: 22 januari 2013 18:36:41 CET
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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>
> Do any of you know work arounds for geospatial Information Systems?
>
> Susie Stanzel
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