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From: Chris Rodriguez
Date: Feb 22, 2013 8:33AM

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>> 1. Re: ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use (Jared Smith)
>> 2. Re: ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use (Gunderson, Jon R)
>> 3. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services (Lucy Greco)
>> 4. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services (Morin, Gary (NIH/OD) [E])
>> 5. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services (Chagnon | PubCom)
>> 6. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services (McKeithan, Thomas)
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jared Smith < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:05:08 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Chris Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>> > Does anyone have insight as to why this is the case and suggestions or
>> > recommendations for making it work?
>>
>> First, thanks for bringing this discussion to the mailing list.
>> Twitter's 140 characters just doesn't work for such things.
>>
>> Adding ARIA roles does not change the interactivity or keyboard
>> functionality. It simply changes the information that is presented to
>> a screen reader user. By indicating that it is a menu, the user can
>> expect a certain keyboard interactivity (e.g., arrow keys to
>> navigate), but you still most program all of that keyboard
>> interactivity. The ARIA spec outlines interactivity patterns for you
>> to implement - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#aria_ex
>>
>> But to take a step back, it may be first useful to ensure that an ARIA
>> menubar is actually appropriate. This is not typically appropriate for
>> web site navigation - it's intended for a web application's menu bar
>> (think "File...", "Edit...", etc.). A good example of such a menu bar
>> implementation can be found at
>> http://hanshillen.github.com/jqtest/#goto_menubar
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>> If a menu bar isn't actually what you're building, then ARIA may not
>> provide a perfect solution. Adding aria-expanded might provide a cue
>> to the user to expand/collapse the menu.
>>
>> Jared
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>>

Thanks Jared.



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>> From: "Gunderson, Jon R" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:07:14 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>> You must add the keyboard event handlers to add the keyboard support,
>> some examples:
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>> http://oaa-accessibility.org/examples/role/85/
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>> http://hanshillen.github.com/jqtest/#goto_menubar
>>
>> ARIA does not add any keyboard behavior, it only provides descriptive
>> information to accessibility APIs when that element has keyboard focus.
>>
>> You should review:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#kbd_general_within
>>
>> Jon
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>
> Thank you both. I did some research and what I'm building isn't an
> application so using the menubar role turned out to not be a good idea. I
> went with the listmenu and menuitem roles which is semantic for the
> purposes of the nested list subnavigation. However, my only remaining
> question is how to announce to the screen reader that sections can be
> expanded? Currently, you can Tab through every item in the list, but using
> controls (such as VoiceOver's Control + Option keys) only jumps to the high
> level items, not the child items.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chris Rodriguez
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:48 AM
>> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> Subject: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm working with a vertical style subnavigation menu that I'd like to
>> make keyboard navigable. It functions like an accordion - clicking/pressing
>> Enter on one level will "expand" it's child pages. Currently, I can Tab
>> through the menu and navigate to each element, but screen readers aren't
>> aware there are nested lists under each top-level section.
>>
>> It was brought to my attention to try the ARIA role="menubar" and
>> "menuitem". I've implemented this and the screen readers understand the
>> items are part of a menu, but I cannot use the keyboard arrow keys to move
>> around as I'd like.
>>
>> Does anyone have insight as to why this is the case and suggestions or
>> recommendations for making it work?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Chris
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:39:31 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>> >From my experience I don't think such a list is out there. As well the
>> two
>> roles are always different and can even be on opposite sides of the
>> situations Lucy
>>
>> Lucia Greco
>> Web Access Analyst
>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of McKeithan,
>> Thomas
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:56 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List ( <EMAIL REMOVED> )
>> Subject: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I'm looking for a list of directors of disability student services or ADA
>> coordinators. Does anyone know where we cn get this list?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>> Accessibility Program Manager
>> National Industries for the Blind
>> 1310 Braddock Place
>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Morin, Gary (NIH/OD) [E]" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:58:28 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>> Have you tried contacting AHEAD? I would start there, perhaps on this
>> page: http://www.ahead.org/resources/dss-professionals
>>
>>
>> Gary M. Morin, Program Analyst
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: McKeithan, Thomas [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:56 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List ( <EMAIL REMOVED> )
>> Subject: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I'm looking for a list of directors of disability student services or ADA
>> coordinators. Does anyone know where we cn get this list?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>> Accessibility Program Manager
>> National Industries for the Blind
>> 1310 Braddock Place
>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>
>>
>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Chagnon | PubCom" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: "'WebAIM Discussion List'" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:05:51 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>> Probably these folks (one of our clients) can help you.
>>
>> Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD)
>> 1100 Wayne Avenue, Suite 1000
>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>> 301-588-8252
>> www.aucd.org
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>> -Bevi Chagnon
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "McKeithan, Thomas" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:07:33 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>> Accessibility Program Manager
>> National Industries for the Blind
>> 1310 Braddock Place
>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>
>>
>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:06 PM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>> Services
>>
>> Probably these folks (one of our clients) can help you.
>>
>> Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD)
>> 1100 Wayne Avenue, Suite 1000
>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>> 301-588-8252
>> www.aucd.org
>>
>> -Bevi Chagnon
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>> www.PubCom.com - Trainers, Consultants, Designers, Developers.
>> Print, Web, Acrobat, XML, eBooks, and U.S. Federal Section 508
>> Accessibility.
>> New schedule for classes and workshops coming in 2013.
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