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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Feb 22, 2013 8:46AM


Hi Chris

I know I hate it when I get "naggy" posts myself, but would it be ok
if you refrained from responding to the digest subject line, rather
than you inserted the subject line for the post you are responding to?
It makes it hard for me to locate your response, to classify it and to
respond to it.
I am sure you are bringing up interesting perspectives, so I'd like to
be able to locate these as quickly and easily as possible.
Again, don't take it the wrong way, I just think you might be more
likely to get feedback if you make the subject line appropriate to the
topic you are responding to.
Thanks
-B

On 2/22/13, Chris Rodriguez < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Chris Rodriguez
> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM,
>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use (Jared Smith)
>>> 2. Re: ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use (Gunderson, Jon R)
>>> 3. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services (Lucy Greco)
>>> 4. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services (Morin, Gary (NIH/OD) [E])
>>> 5. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services (Chagnon | PubCom)
>>> 6. Re: List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services (McKeithan, Thomas)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Jared Smith < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:05:08 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Chris Rodriguez wrote:
>>>
>>> > Does anyone have insight as to why this is the case and suggestions or
>>> > recommendations for making it work?
>>>
>>> First, thanks for bringing this discussion to the mailing list.
>>> Twitter's 140 characters just doesn't work for such things.
>>>
>>> Adding ARIA roles does not change the interactivity or keyboard
>>> functionality. It simply changes the information that is presented to
>>> a screen reader user. By indicating that it is a menu, the user can
>>> expect a certain keyboard interactivity (e.g., arrow keys to
>>> navigate), but you still most program all of that keyboard
>>> interactivity. The ARIA spec outlines interactivity patterns for you
>>> to implement - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#aria_ex
>>>
>>> But to take a step back, it may be first useful to ensure that an ARIA
>>> menubar is actually appropriate. This is not typically appropriate for
>>> web site navigation - it's intended for a web application's menu bar
>>> (think "File...", "Edit...", etc.). A good example of such a menu bar
>>> implementation can be found at
>>> http://hanshillen.github.com/jqtest/#goto_menubar
>>>
>>> If a menu bar isn't actually what you're building, then ARIA may not
>>> provide a perfect solution. Adding aria-expanded might provide a cue
>>> to the user to expand/collapse the menu.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>
> Thanks Jared.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Gunderson, Jon R" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:07:14 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>>> You must add the keyboard event handlers to add the keyboard support,
>>> some examples:
>>>
>>> http://oaa-accessibility.org/examples/role/85/
>>>
>>> http://hanshillen.github.com/jqtest/#goto_menubar
>>>
>>> ARIA does not add any keyboard behavior, it only provides descriptive
>>> information to accessibility APIs when that element has keyboard focus.
>>>
>>> You should review:
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#kbd_general_within
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you both. I did some research and what I'm building isn't an
>> application so using the menubar role turned out to not be a good idea. I
>> went with the listmenu and menuitem roles which is semantic for the
>> purposes of the nested list subnavigation. However, my only remaining
>> question is how to announce to the screen reader that sections can be
>> expanded? Currently, you can Tab through every item in the list, but
>> using
>> controls (such as VoiceOver's Control + Option keys) only jumps to the
>> high
>> level items, not the child items.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chris Rodriguez
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:48 AM
>>> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] ARIA menubar/menuitem keyboard use
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm working with a vertical style subnavigation menu that I'd like to
>>> make keyboard navigable. It functions like an accordion -
>>> clicking/pressing
>>> Enter on one level will "expand" it's child pages. Currently, I can Tab
>>> through the menu and navigate to each element, but screen readers aren't
>>> aware there are nested lists under each top-level section.
>>>
>>> It was brought to my attention to try the ARIA role="menubar" and
>>> "menuitem". I've implemented this and the screen readers understand the
>>> items are part of a menu, but I cannot use the keyboard arrow keys to
>>> move
>>> around as I'd like.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have insight as to why this is the case and suggestions or
>>> recommendations for making it work?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Chris
>>> >>> >>> messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:39:31 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>> >From my experience I don't think such a list is out there. As well the
>>> two
>>> roles are always different and can even be on opposite sides of the
>>> situations Lucy
>>>
>>> Lucia Greco
>>> Web Access Analyst
>>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of McKeithan,
>>> Thomas
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:56 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List ( <EMAIL REMOVED> )
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a list of directors of disability student services or
>>> ADA
>>> coordinators. Does anyone know where we cn get this list?
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>>> Accessibility Program Manager
>>> National Industries for the Blind
>>> 1310 Braddock Place
>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>
>>>
>>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Morin, Gary (NIH/OD) [E]" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:58:28 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>> Have you tried contacting AHEAD? I would start there, perhaps on this
>>> page: http://www.ahead.org/resources/dss-professionals
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary M. Morin, Program Analyst
>>> NIH Office of the Chief Information Officer
>>> 10401 Fernwood Rd, Room 3G-17
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>>>
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>>> New: 240 200 5030 Videophone; (301) 402-4464 Fax
>>>
>>> Section 508 coordinators:
>>> http://ocio.od.nih.gov/Accessibility/Sec508coordinators.html
>>>
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>>> 508 Help or, for Section 508 Guidance,
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>>> WHAT IF THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASKED WAS, "WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
>>> SITUATION THAT IT JUSTIFIES EXCLUSION? INSTEAD OF, "HOW MUCH DOES IT
>>> COST
>>> TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE?"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: McKeithan, Thomas [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:56 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List ( <EMAIL REMOVED> )
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a list of directors of disability student services or
>>> ADA
>>> coordinators. Does anyone know where we cn get this list?
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>>> Accessibility Program Manager
>>> National Industries for the Blind
>>> 1310 Braddock Place
>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>
>>>
>>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Chagnon | PubCom" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: "'WebAIM Discussion List'" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:05:51 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>> Probably these folks (one of our clients) can help you.
>>>
>>> Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD)
>>> 1100 Wayne Avenue, Suite 1000
>>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>>> 301-588-8252
>>> www.aucd.org
>>>
>>> -Bevi Chagnon
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>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "McKeithan, Thomas" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:07:33 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Thomas Lee McKeithan II
>>> Accessibility Program Manager
>>> National Industries for the Blind
>>> 1310 Braddock Place
>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (703)310-0586 Direct
>>> (202)276-6437 Cell
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Believing is achieving, for if I believe, I can and I will achieve."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:06 PM
>>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] List of University Directors of Disability Student
>>> Services
>>>
>>> Probably these folks (one of our clients) can help you.
>>>
>>> Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD)
>>> 1100 Wayne Avenue, Suite 1000
>>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>>> 301-588-8252
>>> www.aucd.org
>>>
>>> -Bevi Chagnon
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> -
>>> -
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> www.PubCom.com - Trainers, Consultants, Designers, Developers.
>>> Print, Web, Acrobat, XML, eBooks, and U.S. Federal Section 508
>>> Accessibility.
>>> New schedule for classes and workshops coming in 2013.
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>
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